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Hi Bitzar and Sparratt,
  first:  I am sorry about not knowing more about where these places are.  I did realise that Lake Conda was in the South Western corner of Victoria but I had no real idea of how far that was from Melbourne. 

I have been trying to work out just where I found the information re Francis Frederick  and Frederick.    My notes tell me that there is a family tree belonging to Secombe family and that is where I saw the link to Arden.  The Secombe  family are one of the DNA matches that I was following some time ago.   

Now recently I have another match for a R. Smith.   I have not completed looking at that.  but it appears to tell the same story.

Most of the family line comes down from William Walter Murray and Lila lily Atkinson but also their son Sidney John Murray born 1900. 

These below are his siblings: 

Francis Frederick Murray  1903
Frederick Murray 1905
Mollie Murray 1907
Elizabeth 'Bertina Bessie" Murray 1908
Laura Murray 1913
Wiliam Murray 1917- 1922  age 5 yrs.

1/2 siblings
Alfrred Murray  1905
Lila Murray 1907 - 1907.

Now Sidney John Murray married Hilda Zenobia Stewart . It's from this couple's children that I have a direct line to DNA matches. 

Re the marriage Cert;  I have a screen shot of it.   Nope not going to work from my computer. 
So here is the basics. 

Rec No122   
 Place: St Mary's Church Lake Conda 8 APR 1926   
Parties:   Francis Frederick Murray    --------Bachelor------ hosngh    Eucha
              Dinah Margaret Arden   --------   Spinster -----  Warnambool

Married by Banns     According to the rites of the Church of England.     They both signed
   Dinah messing up her name and having to re write 'Dinah'   

Witnessed by C M Foster   and E W Rosenwarne  [ it's scrawly so hard to read]

so   from above ----   would this be the scenario.
  Francis Frederick 1903 married Dinah Arden  and Frederick 1905 was little Frank's father with Mabel Rose --  by 1921 he would have been 16+ yrs old.   Mabel was 17  that age is on the Birth rec for Frank.

hope the above makes sense. 

Essnell

Death Cath. Trenktrog 1857

Died 21 März
buried 24 März

Frau Catharina Maria Wiese geb(orene) Trenktrog
Ehefrau des Schlossers Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
der vor Jahren nach Australien ausgewandert
ist. Sie hinterläßt 2 Kinder: den Sohn Ernst den
der Vater mit sich genommen. 2; Luise, alt
41 Jahrn, in Oldesloe gebürtig. Am Mutter (Grimme) Koliken

Mrs Catharina Maria Wiese nee Trenktrog
wife of the fitter/mechanic Peter Friedrich Elias Wiese
who emigrated to Australia years ago

she leaves 2 remaining children.
A son Ernst, who the father took with him to Australia
a daughter Luise

she was born in Oldesloe and died, at the age of 41, on colic

Well that makes it hard now!  time for another trip back to the library

I will have to go back and check the shipping records to the Ernst who arrived in south australia 1854


Name   Ernst Wiese
Departure Age   8
Birth Date   abt 1845
Birth Place   Wandsbek, Holstein
Departure Date   18 Nov 1853 (18 Nov. 1853)
Departure Place   Hamburg, Deutschland (Germany)
Destination   Port Adelaide
Arrival Place   Port Adelaide
Relationship   Sohn (Son)
Ship Name   Iserbrook