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Armed Forces / Re: Royal Marine "D D" Discharged Dead ?
« on: Tuesday 30 August 16 12:27 BST (UK)  »
From
http://www.nmrn.org.uk/research/service-record-abbreviations

DAMS Defensively Armed Merchant Ships (1914-18)

D Detention (in RN or other military Detention Quarters) Sentence of Detention required a Punishment Warrant and was for a period of upwards of 28 days. Could be remitted by up to 7 days and recorded as ‘awarded’ or ‘served’

D Discharged

DD Discharged Dead (usually written in red pencil or heavy black ink)

DEMS Defensively Equipped Merchant Ships (1939-45)

Demob. Demobilisation followed by release class and date

DEPOT Deal

Det Detached, detachment

Div, Divn Division: Chatham (Ch), Portsmouth (Po), Plymouth (Ply)

D/Maj. Drum Major

DP Detained Pay

DW Daily wage

DWS Died on War Service (as opposed to KIA)

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Canada / Re: Possible Peterborough Burial sites
« on: Wednesday 04 May 16 03:11 BST (UK)  »
There is also a small grave yard just outside of Keene in the Lang's Pioneer Village.  Contacting the historical society that runs the village might also yield some assistance. http://www.langpioneervillage.ca/

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Scotland / Re: MURRAY brick wall
« on: Sunday 10 January 16 12:29 GMT (UK)  »
Not to send you off on a wild goose chase but have you tried to locate siblings of your William?

I spent a little bit of extra time trying to locate the sibs of an ancestor of mine and once I located 3 of them the MS of the mother became quite clear as well as the father being a Chelsea Pensioner which opened up a whole new trail to follow. 

In my direct relative's case the MS of the mother was unclear on the death record.  The second sibling who died 17 years later, had it filled out with legible handwriting and the third confirmed it.


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Hello:

If you haven't already had a look at this website, it is good for giving details of each Sqn's activities.  http://www.aircrewremembered.com/homepage.html

Also, my husband's grandfather was killed on Nov 5, 1945 on his way home from Italy.  While researching another family member, it became clear that the UK did not mass mail the war medals out as they had done in WWI.  Each veterans had to apply for them.  Now, the UK didn't strike the medals until 1948 so anyone killed prior to that would not have received their medals unless they family asked for them post 1948.

Last summer, my husband's grandfather had his medals issued that had been waiting in a vault for over 70 years.  The MOD told us that they are getting on average 200 applications PER MONTH for WWII medals to be issued for the FIRST time. 

I would suggest if you are a relative of this man, to make the inquiries about his medals.  They usually take about 12 weeks to come in. 

Cheers


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Lanarkshire / Re: Andrew Mulholland - Lanark and Renfrew Scotland
« on: Sunday 22 November 15 04:47 GMT (UK)  »
Hello JRT,

Delighted to meet you.  I've sent you a PM.  I'd love to exchange info on our family. 

Cheers,
Em

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Lanarkshire / Re: Andrew Mulholland - Lanark and Renfrew Scotland
« on: Saturday 21 November 15 16:46 GMT (UK)  »
I came across a brother of Andrew Mulholland - William. I have located his death registry and his mother's maiden name appears to be MUNRO.  Oddly, the same person who took Andrew's death information was the same person for William - 17 years later. 

On William's death record it has his father as John Mulholland - Chelsea Pensioner.  There are only two John Mulhollands listed as Chelsea Pensioners and one was serving with a Welsh regt and one served with the Highland Light Infantry 71st and 74th Foot.  The record indicates he was from DerryLoran, Tyrone, Ulster. 

I think I may be getting closer.  William's age on the death record puts him being born around 1809 while Andrew's record of 1860 puts him at about 1820 - age 40.  Andrew's record has father as a farmer.  That puts John at about 1784/1785 assuming he was about 25 in 1809. 

Sadly, the records for Derryloran don't start until 1797.  I have to comb through the baptisms and hope I can find a record of either William or his siblings from the dates they started recording. 

Thanks for the help. (if anyone has access to the UK mil records I would love a lookup of the two John Mulhollands. )


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Lanarkshire / Re: Andrew Mulholland - Lanark and Renfrew Scotland
« on: Wednesday 18 November 15 17:30 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Millmoor.  I agree it would be a huge leap to say they didn't come from Ireland but having trekked through some of the family lore so far, not a lot of it has been able to be proven.  It's just that it wouldn't surprise me that the Ireland connection was something speculated way back when and found it's way into the fact side of the family history. 

I have learned not to entirely trust the information on a census.  Far too many variables are in the mix.  It was not the job of the enumerator to verify information and depending on who was being asked for that information depended on what was given.  For example, the owner of a boarding house could be answering all the enumerator's questions and may not have exact birth place information but assumed all his boarders were from the same area.  Nor is age always correct as some people fudged their ages to hide an illegitimate child, an enormous age difference between spouses etc. 

So what have I learned in the last 24 hours about Irish immigration to Scotland... that in all likelihood if they arrived in Scotland that they hailed from Ulster.  Easier transportation and jobs in the time period were plentiful in Scotland. 

The main route patterns for Irish immigration to Britain were:

Emigrants from Ulster settled in Scotland
Emigrants from Connacht and the central strip of Ireland travelled via Dublin to Liverpool
Emigrants from Munster and other southerly or western areas of Ireland sailed to South Wales, London or the English south coast.

That to find a relative in Ireland one needs to know their Province, county, parish and townland.  The 1841 Scottish census only asked where born, subsequent census asked more detailed questions of birth places. 

Protestant Irish faired better in Scotland Catholic Irish.  That many Irish in Scotland ran lodging homes. 

Records in Ireland are extremely patchy.  Entire census records were destroyed to make room for newer ones. 

There are no passenger lists from Ireland to Scotland, England or Wales. 

Lots more to read about.  :)

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Lanarkshire / Re: Agnes LANG bc.1816- daughter of James LANG and Agnes SINCLAIR
« on: Tuesday 17 November 15 23:19 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Steven:

I have Langs in my family.  William Lang married Janet Scott on 2/21/1828.
They had a daughter Isabella Lang born in Denny circa 1831.  Both of them were weavers. 


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Lanarkshire / Re: Andrew Mulholland - Lanark and Renfrew Scotland
« on: Tuesday 17 November 15 23:08 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks again jonn and millmoor.

I downloaded their death registrations from SP. Andrew's mother's surname looks like a phonetic attempt at either Rainey, Rennie, Wren or something I may never figure out. 

So here's a question regarding the questions on a census.  Do they ask "Where were you born?" or 'Where do you come from?" This reference to Ireland is bothering me as I have yet to find any documentation that sets out that someone was actually born in Ireland. 

Family lore sets out that we came from Ireland.  My documentation so far says back to 1840 for the Mulhollands they were all born in Scotland and the Baillies go back to 1577 in Aberdeenshire.  A 2nd great grandmother came from Newcastle but on that side, all from Bonhill, Blantyre, Glasgow, Kilsyth and no Ireland.  No one in the past three generations has been able to identify where in Ireland the family originates.  The only time I see Ireland on any document is the census. 

I think I might have a case of a family that once had roots in Ireland but has spent decades/century(ies) living in Scotland but still consider themselves Irish.



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