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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Thursday 14 October 21 15:29 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again GR2 and Monica for the help.

I looked through the Kilbrandon kirk session records’ minutes from 1827~1831 and couldn’t find any mention of a Robert Walker.  I also checked the register of marriages 1825-1848, but couldn’t find a Robert Walker or Muir Buchannan (however, I did find a record for a younger Flora Buchannan’s marriage, and she seems to be Muir’s niece.)

I made a typo in my previous message.  I meant that Robert Walker was married in 1854, not 1855.

I assume the 1841 census record of a Muir Buchanan is the one I’m concerned with, but I wonder why she would be listed as 36 years old, when she should be about 49 at the time.

I’m going to assume that the Patrick Buchannan and Flory Campbell who gave birth to a Muir Buchannan are the same people as the Peter Buchanan and Flora Cameron noted as parents on the death record I have.  I didn’t know that Peter and Patrick were interchangeable in Scotland at the time.  That’s interesting.  I looked at the actual baptism record for Muir in 1793.  She was baptised at Armaddy.  I found her brother George’s family tree on FamilySearch, but there isn’t any documentation for her or her parents (noted as Peter Buchanan and Flora Campbell).  It notes her, but not a husband or children.  I’ll probably check out George’s family tree on Ancestry at some point, but am not currently a member.

It seems like she may be one of the Widow Buchannans (I’m guessing the one in Balvicar) in the Kilbrandon kirk session records.  If so, it seems like she was widowed soon after giving birth to Robert Walker, although I still can’t find any sign of them getting married or of Robert Walker (Sr.)’s death.

I assume the Mure Buchanan on the 1851 census in Balvicar is the Muir I’m concerned with.  That’s curious that she seems to be marked as married as her death record noted her as single (which also makes me wonder about the Widow Buchannan who received money from the church).

The senior Robert Walker is a mystery to me.  Perhaps he and Muir got married and/or had a child whether married or not before the available kirk records started.  However various records of the junior Robert Walker point to him being born 1829~1830.  I wonder if it's possible that his birth, illegitimate or not just wasn't recorded.  His mother seems to have lived her whole life in the same area, so it doesn't seem too possible that she would've given birth to Robert in a different area, where there may or may not be a record of a Robert Walker being born.

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 14:58 BST (UK)  »
Thank you everyone for your help.

This seems to be the current situation regarding finding information about Robert Walker’s parents.  I’m curious what you think:

Robert himself
- from various censuses and other information: born sometime around 1829-1931 in Easdale, Kilbrandon, Kilbarchan (I think this was a mistake), Islay, or Oban.
- Can’t find a record of any Robert Walkers born in Argyll between 1820~1840. - Possibly in Kilbrandon kirk session records, but couldn’t find anything that stuck out.  Maybe I should scour through them.
- is likely the Robert Walker listed in the 1841 census living with the McKay family as a servant in Balvicar
- possibly the Robert Walker listed in the 1851 census living with the Finlay family as a servant in Gimmerscroft, Lanarkshire
- married 1855 in Renfrew, where he lived the rest of his life (however, birthdate, place of birth, and parents aren’t noted on marriage record). - Is the marriage record I saw the only one?  It seems so minimal.


His mother:
- Muir Buchanan (per death record for which Robert was the informant.)
Flora Walker (m.s. Buchanan) as per Robert’s death record (his son James the informant)
Muiraleen Campbell Buchanan as per info passed down in family (no documentation)
- Probably the Muir Buchannan listed in the Old Parish Registers Births and baptisms, 01/09/1793, however her parents are listed as PATRICK Buchannan and Flory CAMPBELL.  (Her death record names her parents as PETER Buchanan and Flora CAMERON) and if born in 1793, she should be about 48 in the 1841 census (although it says she was 36, assuming that’s her).  (She would also be about 36-38 years old at the time of giving birth to her son Robert.)  Then again, the middle-name of Campbell would match up with my family’s record of “Muiraleen Campbell Buchanan”.  Also, according to her death record, she would have been born in 1791 or 1790 (not 1793).
- If she is the Muir Buchanan whose parents are Peter Buchanan and Flora Campbell, then she would very likely be the sister of George Buchanan, whose family tree is found on ancestry.com (I don’t have a subscription, but may do so later.)
- Likely the Muir Buchannan, 36, cottager, living alone, listed in the 1841 census living in Balvicar (although this is about 10 years too young per the birthdate on her death registration)
- Can’t find her in the 1851 census in Argyll or Renfrew
- She doesn’t seem to appear in the Kilbrandon kirk sessions either as getting married or giving birth.  Maybe I have to scour these records.
- Her parents were Peter Buchanan and Flora Buchanan (m.n. Cameron) per her death record
- She was recorded as “single” on her death record, which explains the lack of a marriage record
- According to her death record, her body was buried at the church yard of Kilbrandon.  Unfortunately I couldn’t find any records of her grave on BillionGraves or Find-A-Grave, although of course those sites don’t cover everything.  I also couldn’t find any Walkers in that graveyard on those sites.

His father:
- Robert Walker, cottar (as per son Robert’s death record (his son James the informant))
- Could find entries for 3 Robert Walkers in the Old Parish Registers Births and baptisms in Argyll of ages that could potentially be Robert Jr.’s father - 1813 in Kilcalmonell and Kilberry, 1788 in Kilmartin, 1799 in Campbeltown
- He doesn’t seem to appear in the Kilbrandon kirk sessions either as getting married or being the father of Robert Walker, or anything else.
- Killed in a quarry accident on Easdale Island when his son Robert was still a boy as per info passed down in family (no documentation)
- Can’t find any death records for any Robert Walkers in Argyll 1825-1855
Could find entries for 3 Robert Walkers after that up until 1900:  1858 (69) Tyree, 1878 (80) Kilmeny, 1881 (68) Tarbert


In summary, Robert Walker's early life is unclear.  He was a child (possibly the only child) of a Robert Walker and a Muir Buchanan, who were possibly unmarried.  Muir likely lived her life in the Kilbrandon area of Argyllshire, where she had Robert, who moved down to Renfrewshire while young, where he got married, had several children, and lived to be old.  Robert Walker Sr. may have come from outside of Argyll to work in the slate quarry on Easdale Island.  While in the area, he met Muir and they had Robert Jr.  They didn’t seem to get married, register the birth of Robert Jr. or have him baptised.  Robert Sr. may have died in an accident in the quarry, or otherwise disappeared from Argyllshire.

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 01:56 BST (UK)  »
And confirmation of Robert's mother are to be found on Muir's death reg on 25 Apr 1859 at Balvicar. Her was the informant to her death:

Monica, Thank you very much!  You're the best!  This is going to take a little time for me to digest.  I'm looking at the file from ScotlandsPeople right now.  Robert's signature is also almost exactly the same as it is on the birth register for one of his sons.

I was told that his mother moved down to the Glasgow area with him, but this doesn't seem to be the case, or maybe she did, but temporarily.

I wish I wasn't so busy with work today, because I'd like to spend some more time with this.  Anyway, I'll get back again.


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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Wednesday 13 October 21 01:40 BST (UK)  »
It may be worth looking at the minutes of the Kilbrandon Kirk Session for the period to see if anything appears. There are detailed proclamations of banns in the minutes from 1825. I looked 1825 - 1840 and there is no Walker marriage of any kind.

Thank you very much for looking into that. :)  (This older Walker seems to be a mystery.  Maybe he was a vagabond.  Dropped into town, had a child out of wedlock, got killed in an accident...)

If that is the case, the details should be in the kirk session minutes, which are free to read on Scotlandspeople.

Thanks for the ideas.  I had a brief look at the Kilbrandon records, and I'll look some more.  I didn't even know that this resource was available.  Even without finding anything about my particular ancestors, it's quite interesting.

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Tuesday 12 October 21 01:54 BST (UK)  »
Thank you.  I've read your replies on the newer post.

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Tuesday 12 October 21 01:48 BST (UK)  »
It may be worth looking at the minutes of the Kilbrandon Kirk Session for the period to see if anything appears. There are detailed proclamations of banns in the minutes from 1825. I looked 1825 - 1840 and there is no Walker marriage of any kind.

Thank you very much for looking into that. :)  (This older Walker seems to be a mystery.  Maybe he was a vagabond.  Dropped into town, had a child out of wedlock, got killed in an accident...)

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Tuesday 12 October 21 01:47 BST (UK)  »
The Muir Buchanan that you found in 1841 www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1411bdf4040b9d6ef80f08/muir-buchannan-1841-argyllshire-kilbrandon-kilchattn-1805-?locale=en

She looks to have died in the Kilbrandon area at the age of 68 in 1859. Mother's maiden name of Cameron. Don't think she was married as there is no other surname for her listing on the index.

Monica

Thank you.  Yes, that's the entry I found.  I think it's possible this is his mother.

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Tuesday 12 October 21 01:45 BST (UK)  »
Whilst there does not look to be any Walkers in Kilbrandon on the 1841 census, there are Buchanans. Two Buchanan families living in Easdale. This one www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1411c2f4040b9d6ef817fa/george-buchanan-1841-argyllshire-kilbrandon-kilchattn-1791-?locale=en is headed up by George and wife Margaret Stalker. They had a daughter Flora born c. 1818 who died in Easdale in 1902 (other surname Ferguson and aged 84 at when she died). This Flora would be too young to be Robert Walker's mother though. She is fairly consistent on the censuses with a birth year c. 1818  :-\

The other Easdale family in 1841 is this one www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/597e8d13f4040b024a5ba192/william-buchanan-1871-argyllshire-kilbrandon-kilchattn-1826-?locale=en

Both George and William look to have worked in the slate quarries of the area.

Monica

Thank you.  They could be relatives.

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Argyllshire / Re: Still stuck on Robert Walker's parents
« on: Tuesday 12 October 21 01:42 BST (UK)  »
Also on the other post, Ambly had found and provided for you the 1891 and 1901 censuses. Looks like you have the complete set for Robert (albeit with the question marks up to his marriage in 1854).

Monica

Yes.  His pre-marriage years are quite unclear to me compared to post-marriage.

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