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Messages - Tam the Dooter

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Perthshire / Re: Tulliallan
« on: Sunday 04 October 15 12:47 BST (UK)  »
Isobelw thanks - Hence my enquiry.  I suspect it means dual searching

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Perthshire / Re: Tulliallan
« on: Saturday 03 October 15 08:58 BST (UK)  »
Thanks  Don, most helpful.  I'll direct my research to Fife.

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Perthshire / Tulliallan
« on: Friday 02 October 15 11:42 BST (UK)  »
A quick request for help and clarification please. I'm trying to find any background on John Anderson and Joan Millar (great great great grandparents) who lived in Tulliallan. It is now in Fife and what records there are on Scotland's people are from Fife but the village was for a long time part of Perthshire so where best to seek information?

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London and Middlesex / Re: Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)
« on: Friday 02 October 15 11:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi there rumpuscat.  Thanks for the offer but it's not a bad thing to have the document about George Ovenden cum Poulton as this does unequivocably settle his parentage leaving the birth in Yarmouth to be a mystery. it did cross my mind to wonder whether George Ovenden knew he was on the birth certificate as on her track record, Rachael seems to have been fly enough to pull a fast one but as he seems to have supported the family, this is probably fantasy. There's the makings of a novel here if you think about it.

Regards


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London and Middlesex / Re: Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)
« on: Wednesday 30 September 15 13:13 BST (UK)  »
H rumpuscat, well I've just got George Henry Edwards's birth certificate.  He was born on 8 September 1870 at 8 Providence Place, Yarmouth to Rachel Poulton and George Ovenden whose occupation is down as House Proprietor. He was registered on 11 October 1870 and I'm afraid that this does rather knock down any remaining thoughts of an Angerstein father. I think that your conclusion that Angerstein was a name that George and Rachael used for convenience is as near as we'll ever get.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)
« on: Monday 28 September 15 13:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi rumpuscat.  I think you've seen that my relationship to Rachael Poulton is distant - from Ancestry we're first cousins three times removed via a shared twice or three times great grandfather. It was simply curiosity and intrigue that got me pursuing it.  There is a somewhat similar relationship on father's side where my great great grandfather was married but his wife disappeared without any obvious trace and he took up with someone else only to have their children baptised in his formal wife's name. He eventually married the mother of most of his children which leads me to suspect that his wife may have either run off with someone else or had suffered some form of chronic illness - maybe mental which had caused her to be locked away.

On Rachael I can only conclude that you're right - although George Ovenden did appear as a witness at Georgina's marriage in 1888 and I wonder whether he continued to support Rachael and her family as she seems to have had no other means. No occupation is ever shown in the censuses. My only reservation is that I can't quite get my head round the choice of Angerstein as the name to hide behind. I would have thought it so unusual as to defeat the object of the exercise but I can't think of any other explanation.

Anyway, many thanks for your time and help.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)
« on: Saturday 26 September 15 09:23 BST (UK)  »
Hi there rumpuscat, having started the hare running, I did get a bit bemused by the volume of replies. I think the difficulty is that there is no clear view of how and why Rachael Poulton became Rachael Angerstein.  Her death certificate records her as Rachael Angerstein, widow of George Angerstein, Architect but I can't trace any record of a marriage and as the death was reported by her son George Angerstein, it seems plausible that he was only able to report what she had told him. It may also be that under the dictates of respectability, she wished to be known as a widow.
 

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London and Middlesex / Re: Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)
« on: Wednesday 23 September 15 18:00 BST (UK)  »
Claire t. It reads something like Somerset House have agreed the change. Its only a guess but it coincides with Lillian Reeves reaching 65 and if she needed her birth certificate for some reason - perhaps connected with the pension, the discrepancy in surnames would become apparent.

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London and Middlesex / Re: Rachael Poulton also known as Angerstein (1843 - 1913)
« on: Wednesday 23 September 15 17:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rumpuscat on Wednesday 23 September 15 17:45 BST (UK)
Hi, Tam. I'm Larkspur's cousin.  Rachael is my GGGrandmother via her son George Henry Edward.  His eldest daughter Gertrude Mary was my paternal grandmother.  I have been researching Rachael for many years and have never found any evidence for a marriage or even any to show where the name 'Angerstein' came from.  There is no known connection with John Julius Angerstein.  George Ovenden of course was married to someone else at the time of his relationship with Rachael.

rumpuscat. Thanks for the reply. Rachael was my first cousin three times removed via the Poultons. I am reaching the conclusion that there was no family connection with the Angersteins except the use of the name but I am intrigued as to why that name was picked by Rachael and i assume George Ovenden; it's probably something we can never know of course.

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