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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Tuesday 18 August 20 15:16 BST (UK)  »
Ah I see - so there is potential for those children to be nephews/nieces.

On my 1881 Census for Henry & Mary Ann Poole I have
Emily Poole Chant(b.1869)
Caroline Poole Chant(1870)
Mary Jane Poole Chant (1872)

No Joe on the 1881 census but may be too old to be living at home or passed away

These are all born prior to Henry & Mary Ann getting married so I assumed were from a previous relationship. They are all baptised as older children with the middle name 'Poole' in the local parish in Clifton 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Tuesday 18 August 20 13:38 BST (UK)  »
Oh my gosh! I was away for a few hours and it's got so big -  I wasn't expecting such a fantastic response.

So from this search are you saying the first lot of children (Joe, Emily, Caroline & Mary Jane) belong to Henry Chant & Ann Mitchell?

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 21:31 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: josey on Monday 17 August 20 20:33 BST (UK)
CHANT, EMILY       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1868  S Quarter in AXBRIDGE  Volume 05C  Page 602
CHANT, CAROLINE       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 05C  Page 751
CHANT, MARY  JANE     BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1872  M Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 68

Maybe Henry was living with Mary Ann but wasn't free to marry until 1873?

ADDED : Maybe for the back burner?
Marriages Mar 1851   
Brown    Jane        Wincanton    10   821    
Burge    Hannah        Wincanton    10   821    
Chant    Henry        Wincanton    10   821    
Hooper    William        Wincanton    10   821    
Mitchel    Ann        Wincanton    10   821   
Ancestry shows marriage on 16 Feb 1851, Henry's father William labourer, Henry made mark.

CHANT, JOSEPH       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1851  J Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 10  Page 577
CHANT, ANN       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 511
CHANT, SUSAN       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1854  D Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 576
CHANT, WILLIAM       MITCHELL 
GRO Reference: 1857  J Quarter in WINCANTON  Volume 05C  Page 577


It gets weirder and weirder each time someone finds something  ;D
I know on Henry & Mary Ann's wedding certificate there is approx 20years between them, so possibly waiting for existing spouse to pass away prior to marrying.
Would explain why all the older children were baptized with the surname 'Poole Chant' at a much later date in Manchester. Possibly finally had opportunity to make it 'proper'. 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 18:34 BST (UK)  »
Gosh I am driving myself mad with this one now!

On the census' I have a
Emily Poole Chant (1869)
Caroline Poole Chant (1870)
Mary Jane Poole Chant (1872)

All born before the suspected wedding of Henry Chant and Mary Ann Poole.

As Henry was married before these could be children from his previous marriage (and all of these children are baptized later once the family move to Manchester).

'Caroline' would appear to be a family name of Mary Ann Pool/Butcher (her mother) so could be relevant there.

 

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 18:16 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Jool on Monday 17 August 20 18:05 BST (UK)
Just a thought.  The maiden name given on the children's birth registrations may depend on who registered each of the births. For example, mother may have said Butcher, father may have said Poole.

That's a thought! Could be something so simple and we would never really know what was happening back then, only speculation.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 18:15 BST (UK)  »
Thinking about it - on the suspected wedding certificate for Henry Chant & Mary Ann Poole, it lists her dad as William Poole. I assume then this would mean her mother (Caroline) was married to William Poole prior to William Butcher then?
Even more confusing with everyone having similar given names  :P


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 17:56 BST (UK)  »
That would definitely make sense. I have her as 1843 on the census's but is only approx.
Would make sense that she is using her mothers and (step) fathers surname interchangeably if he came into her life at such a young age.

You've been such a fantastic help and have given me lots to look at! (and certificates to order  ;D)

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 17:45 BST (UK)  »
I have Annie's birth certificate which states mothers maiden name as Butcher with no amendments or asterisk to indicate anything unusual. I suppose I should order David's as he has maiden name 'Poole' to see if there is any difference on that.

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Conundrum-2 maiden names listed-zero marriages-1 married name. Totally lost!
« on: Monday 17 August 20 17:36 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: rosie99 on Monday 17 August 20 17:33 BST (UK)
Quote from: Poole Conundrum on Monday 17 August 20 17:27 BST (UK)
Quote from: rosie99 on Monday 17 August 20 17:18 BST (UK)
CHANT, DAVID       mmn POOLE 
GRO Reference: 1873  Dec Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 71

CHANT, SUSAN       BUTCHER 
GRO Reference: 1876  March Quarter in CLIFTON  Volume 06A  Page 61
 

I'm unsure what these would relate to?

They are their birth registrations from the GRO website.

Registrations for other children
William in 1877 MMN Poole
Florence in 1880 MMN Butcher



Sorry I see what you mean now. That just deepens my confusion as the maiden name flits between Poole and Butcher. So as she was 'single' and not widowed on the suspected marriage certificate why would she be switching between 2 names?
Perhaps her mother was remarried and is using a step-fathers name? 

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