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East Lothian (Haddingtonshire) / Re: Tranent Cemetery
« on: Monday 21 December 15 13:05 GMT (UK)  »
Peter Bryson was born in 1740. He married Jean Waddell Notman on 25 November 1765 in Tranent, East Lothian Scotland.
Their first two children were: Jean Bryson and John Bryson both born on 12 September 1766 in Tranent, East Lothian.
  Their third child was Alexander Bryson. He was born 11 April 1771 in East Lothian.
  Next came Peter Bryson junior. He was born 2 June 1778 in East Lothian.
  On 15 August 1781 they had a daughter named Isabell Bryson.
  On 24 January 1784 they had a daughter named Catharine Bryson.
  In 1787 they have a son named Archibald.
  Peter Bryson passed away in 1819 Tranent.
  I have no burial information on him.

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Tuesday 01 September 15 01:02 BST (UK)  »
I found a U.S. Census form that lists the place of birth for William Hogg and Margaret Minto Thomson Hogg as "Scotland Gaelic L" do any of you know what that means?

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Tuesday 11 August 15 19:54 BST (UK)  »
I took part in a DNA project. There is a link to the Etterick Shepard. I will look up what is was later. 

Was hoping Ruth with your brilliant find that this would have been the link to James Hogg "The Ettrick Shepherd" but the tree is missing info.  ???

I was wondering about that too - but these Hoggs seem to be in the wrong part of Scotland for a link to James Hogg of Ettrick - although if we can get back further, who knows - they probably all link together in the end  ;D

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Tuesday 11 August 15 01:44 BST (UK)  »
I have been able to trace my family back as far as 1822 William. Beyond that has been a mystery. I even joined a Hogg DNA project in search of information. The DNA project revealed that I was somehow related to the Etterick Shepard and to some folks with the last name of Laidlaw but there was a big hole in the lineage and I wasn't able to connect the dots. You are helping to close that hole. Thank you for taking the time to help me with this. It's been bugging me for years!


Great work looby & ruth
Enjoying following.........

Great story unfolding.
Just let us know when the book release date is  ;D

Annie

 ;D  The book is up to Chris. Bound to be a bestseller though!

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Tuesday 11 August 15 00:10 BST (UK)  »

Ann Hogg was married to Alexander Ramage right?

To be honest Chris , illegitimacy was far more common than you'd think back then!
Catherine was certainly married then widowed then remarried.
Ann we haven't found yet.
And Jean does have a child called Rankine but she could have been married and widowed young , also she marries John McKnight father to her 2nd son. Obviously that didn't last long as she's on her own by 1851 and remarrying in 1853. Maybe John McKnight had died or maybe  :-X ....she remarried when still married. ;D

Looby :)

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Monday 10 August 15 23:54 BST (UK)  »

I found a John Hogg born in 1789 to John Hogg and Ann Porteous in Peebleshire.

Bingo - good old Family Search  ;D

Jean Hogg - married John McKnight on 14 Jan 1850 at Uphall. The banns were also read on 25 Nov 1849 in Gorbals, Lanarkshire, so our man must have been from there...

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Monday 10 August 15 23:42 BST (UK)  »
There has always been a tale of one of the children sleeping with the hired help. Maybe that explains the illegitimate children? From what I understand it was quiet a fiasco and resulted in the child in question being basically disowned. This story has filtered down through the ages and I have no idea if it's true.

Well, after a lot of digging around, I think I've finally found the elusive William Hogg senior  ;D ;D ;D

He died on 16 Dec 1861 in West Linton - which these days is in the Scottish Borders, but was formerly in Peebleshire - it's practically on the border of Midlothian, only about 15 miles from Edinburgh city centre. William was 79 years old, listed as a joiner on the death registration, and widower of Catherine Bryson ;D He was living with his sister, Ann Ramage (nee Hogg) and her husband Alexander Ramage in West Linton - they all appear together in the 1861 census in West Linton.

William Hogg was born on 20 Sep 1782 in Penicuik, Midlothian (which is about 8 miles north of West Linton) to John Hogg - a miller, according to William's death record - and Anne Porteous. I've found two other children for John and Anne so far, both born in West Linton - John born around 1789 and Ann, already mentioned, around 1800. Ann Hogg married Alexander Ramage in West Linton in 1822 - I've found two children for them so far.

So... this means that the 1851 census entry that I found for William Hogg and his daughter Jane/Jean (and the off-spring of dubious parentage...) is correct, as that William Hogg's birth place was noted as Penicuik (albeit spelled very phonetically  :D) - they were in Uphall, Midlothian - still need to work out who the two grand-children actually were - not documentary trace of them as yet...

It also means that all those trees on Ancestry who have Catherine Bryson down as dying in 1884 are probably wrong - William was a widower by the time of the 1851 census.

Phew...  :o

Added: Oh, and as a final clue that this probably is the correct William Hogg - William Hogg junior (he who married Margaret Minto Thompson) named one of his children James Porteous Hogg...

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson Help please.
« on: Monday 10 August 15 07:26 BST (UK)  »
The only marriage information I have for any of the children belonging to William Hogg and Catherine Bryson is for William. He married Margaret Minto Thomson in Perth Ontario Canada in 1858.
  The next time they appear is on a U.S. Census from 1860. They are farming in Iowa.
  I have been stuck for years trying to locate birth/death dates for the William Hogg who was married to Catherine Bryson. It's as if the family didn't exist before him. It's very frustrating.

Who were any of the children married to, where & when  ???

Annie

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Midlothian / Re: Hogg/Bryson
« on: Monday 10 August 15 00:57 BST (UK)  »
The Birth record I have for Catherine Bryson Hogg shows she was born in Monteith Perthshire Scotland in 1784.

There is a couple on the 1841 Census at Spenses Place, Leith South

William Hogg   age 50   Joiner Journeyman     born outside Census County
Catharine Hogg  age 45                                 born outside Census County
 
according to this Census these people were not Midlothian born.
Looby :)

I wonder if the Hoggs were form further south........... I think Selkirk or Dumfries was a settlement area although my Hogg 3 x g g/father c1811 & his 2 sons were born Fetteresso, Kincardine although I believe his family probably moved there  ??? I haven't got his death cert. either, he died in England pre 1851 so no point there as it won't reveal his father even. Married 1834 so again no parentage to follow  ::)

Annie

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