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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Monday 03 August 15 18:43 BST (UK)  »
Hi delphi8, hope you got the pictures and the family tree.
And thanks keyboard for all the information. I did not realise that the census data can give you so many clues. I think Mary Ravenhill née Walden had five half brothers and sisters. 30 year old Henery in census 1861 must be another half brother who was not at Willis's farm in 1851.
WW

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Saturday 01 August 15 14:17 BST (UK)  »
 Hi delphi8, did not get anything. It is not the bible but a book on the "History of the life of our blessed Lord etc etc" by Laurence Clark 1740. It belonged to Aaron's older brother Samuel and was handed then to Aaron. Who of the seven children of Aaron is your ancestor?

Hi keyboard86, I should not do calculations early in the morning! Mary went of course to see her father and stepmother Marianne in 1851. The John Walden in the directory of 1874 is probably Mary's half brother.
WW

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Saturday 01 August 15 07:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi! In 1874 a John Walden is listed as the farmer of Willis's farm in Beauchamp Roding. That must be him.
Joseph Asser and his wife and grandchildren were probably friends, the others family. Did they celebrate Marianne's 60th birthday? All the children were there including a son-in-law, John Rayment. I assume.
Now is John Mary Ravenhill's brother or her uncle? We have two pictures of her: a silhouette as a young woman and an ambrotype when she is about 60.
I can't find Willis's Farm on any map. It most likely still exists but with a different name. WW

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Friday 31 July 15 18:02 BST (UK)  »
Which house were they in? WW

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Friday 31 July 15 06:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi Keyboard86,
Mary Brown Ravenhill‘s father was John Walden a farmer in Beauchamp Roding, born 1782, married to Elizabeth Brown who died 1820. Mary must have visited her family (brother?) in 1851. Are you sure it is not Alfred Whitbread? I have not looked at the census yet.
Are you a descendant of Mary? Or who do you come from?
Eiliza from yesterday is a spelling mistake‚ Eliza is right. I think she had no children.
WW


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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Thursday 30 July 15 10:39 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,
Samuel Ravenhill was a tailor just like his father John, who came from Ross. The dates I have are:

Samuel Ravenhill
* 14 Sept 1802 Enfield
† 18 Jan 1888 Enfield
married 15 Oct 1830 at St. Catherine Cree, London
Mary Brown Walden
* 4 April 1805 Beauchamp Roding
† 26 June 1898 Enfield
six daughters one son †

Elizabeth Brown Ravenhill (1834 – 1905) married John Attwood Halbeck
Harriet Brown Ravenhill (1835 – 1920) married twice – only child Mabel born in India died young at the age of 13
Susanna Jane Ravenhill (1837 – 1905) married John Wheeler, Savernake Forest
Reuben Albert Ravenhill (1839 – 41)
Annie Winifried Ravenhill (1841 – 1874) unmarried
Eiliza Mary Ravenhill (1844 –    ?    ) married Samuel Thomas Carter
Sarah Myrtle Ravenhill (1848 – 1935) married Henry Brown, Son of Richard Brown Accountant at Huntley and Palmers

Myrtle is Audrey Ravenhill Scriven née Ivimy’s (1917 – 2015) grandmother, my mother-in-law.

I know all this as a grandaunt wrote the dates down 80 years ago.

The two eldest sisters had quite some humor to call themselves servant and governess - to their younger siblings - at the 1851 census. I had not seen that. Quite funny!

The uncle Thomas Moses Edwards was born 1783  as a natural son to Aaron Patrick. He died 1856 in Enfield and is desribed as the Toll Gate Keeper at Waltham Cross Hertfordshire. He inherited Aaron's writing desk.
WW

Is there any possibilty to include a pdf here with the whole family tree? We own the Patrick bible now. I could put a picture on. But there is meant to be a Ravenhill bible as well with lots of information the grandaunt wrote.




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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Tuesday 28 July 15 09:56 BST (UK)  »
Good to see the maps. It must have been quite different in Aaron's days. I wonder where he cut his trees? In case you do not know the story:
Aaron was sent to prison and had to stand trial at the Old Bailey in 1783. You can find everything in the National Archives. The story is that he went with a friend and a servant to Enfield Chase in the middle of the night – quite suspicious – and cut down sixteen trees. It was the 28th of December, it probably was a very dark night. It took them three hours. That is known because the nightwatch saw them going there and greeting them without getting any answer – very suspicious. He saw them later and when they noticed him, they stopped and went quiet. Obviously they hoped to evade his watchfulness!!! He had just announced the fourth hour. The trees must have been fairly small. Half of them were valued at 40 shillings: oak timber trees. The others were likely to become timber trees. They got off because it was not clear to whom the trees belonged.
Court to Jury: The prisoners must be acquitted upon this indictment. That was on the 26th of February.

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London & Middlesex Lookup Requests / Re: Enfield Churchyard & area - PATRICK
« on: Monday 27 July 15 21:03 BST (UK)  »
Hi James, a quick reply after three years. Hope you stilI use roomchat. I looked recently into my wife's ancestry and found that Aaron Patrick's eldest daughter Mary is her great great great grandmother. I tried to list all her close relatives and could send it to you as a PDF. Wohlert Wohlers

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