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Armed Forces / Re: 1st Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment - Aden 1959-1960
« on: Sunday 09 November 25 16:09 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Andy J2022 on Sunday 09 November 25 13:34 GMT (UK)
During your grandfather's time in Aden things were relatively quiet. The so-called Aden Emergency didn't start until 1962, and the Radfan Campaign in which British troops were heavily involved, didn't start until the Autumn of 1963. The Northamptonshire Regiment left Aden in February 1960.

So your grandfather would have had a pretty boring time consisting of barrack routines, minor field training exercises and a lot of time spent on the beach or in bars. Better than many people's experience of National Service.

So in essence it could've been a lot worse... I guess that answers that question! No wonder we have a bunch of photographs of him and his fellow soldiers having by all accounts a great time in the warm weather over there!

Thanks Andy.

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Armed Forces / 1st Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment - Aden 1959-1960
« on: Sunday 09 November 25 12:35 GMT (UK)  »
Hi all,

Prompted by watching the Remembrance service in London this morning I am looking for some information on the activities of the 1st Battalion Northamptonshire Regiment in Aden in between 1959-1960.

Most of what I could find online relates to earlier conflicts. I have a particular interest in this period as my late grandfather was serving with that regiment at the time. I have his service record but as is often the case there are no details on the deployment itself other than the location. He sailed for Aden in January 1959 and returned in January 1960. Unfortunately I was a bit too young to ask the right questions before he died.

If anybody has knowledge of this regiment and its activities in Aden I'd be very grateful to hear it.

Thanks,

Lewis

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Tricky Latin text - 1681 will
« on: Saturday 23 August 25 17:55 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Bookbox on Saturday 23 August 25 17:14 BST (UK)
The clauses were originally written in the wrong order, which doesn't help.

The underlined part, from maritus to filiae, is marked as an insertion after dicti defuncti. So I think this is how it works:

8o Dec: 1681

Will(el)mus Blunden ^pater naturalis & Guardian(us) Sarae Blunden Nepotis^ d(i)c(t)i def(unc)ti, maritus et conjunct' person' Joannae Blunden

alias Kelsey filiae [unicae - deleted], ac Legatarie in Testamento &c nominate

& ex(ecuto)ribus fiducie prius renuncian(tibus) ac Ad(ministra)tor &c cu(m) Tes(tamen)to

annexo &c [iure … Jurat' - all deleted]            p(er) me Tho: Briggs

8 December 1681
William Blunden, the natural father and guardian of Sarah Blunden the granddaughter of the said deceased, [and] the husband and conjunct of Joan Blunden otherwise Kelsey, [who is] the [only deleted] daughter of the said deceased and a legatee named in the will etc., the executors having first renounced the trust, [is the] administrator etc., with the will annexed etc.   By me Thomas Briggs

Bookbox,

This is great, thanks very much for your efforts. It all fits with what I know, i.e. that Joan was Bartholomew's daughter, who married William Blunden and had a daughter Sarah, who was mentioned in the will.

As far I can tell from the records Joan was Bartholomew's only daughter, it's interesting that they crossed that bit out.

I wonder what might have caused the executors to renounce their position.

Thanks again,

Lewis

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Re: Tricky Latin text - 1681 will
« on: Saturday 23 August 25 16:32 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Bookbox on Saturday 23 August 25 16:17 BST (UK)
Who was the named executor, please?

Their names were Richard Newland and Richard Smyth, who were stated to be his cousins and/or friends.

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Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition / Tricky Latin text - 1681 will
« on: Saturday 23 August 25 15:51 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I have found the will of Bartholomew Kelsie of Slindon, Sussex, dated 1681. The main text is easy enough to read with a bit of concentration however I am struggling with what is written on the back, mostly in Latin. It's not a formula I am familiar with. I know from the will text that Bartholomew left legacies to his daughter Joan's children, William and Sarah Blunden.

I can't really make out some of the words. Can anybody decipher what it means when read as a whole?

Many thanks,

Lewis

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Armed Forces / Re: North Lincoln Militia
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 14:52 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: hanes teulu on Tuesday 15 July 25 05:37 BST (UK)
Re baptisms of possible Michael's siblings, have a look for the surname Dunn, location Liverpool, period 1799 - 1810, parents Michael and Margery. 

Thanks for this - seems to fit that he was apparently stationed in Liverpool for upwards of two years with his regiment and has then gone back there to settle. I wonder if it means he was from there?

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Grace Hustler/Hostler or Dodsworth - Thornton Dale
« on: Sunday 17 August 25 14:19 BST (UK)  »
That's really interesting, they surely must be related in some way or that would be quite a coincidence. The John buried in 1813 is a perfect age to be her father, and the elder John her grandfather, though it's a case of proving it. Her first son was named John too.

Looking at the John that amondg mentioned in 1841 - he seems a good candidate to be her brother. If I have the right man, he appears to have a son Richard baptised in 1815 at Scalby. Grace had a son called Richard and I noticed another Richard who died in 1800 at Thornton Dale too.

It would be so much simpler if her baptism were to be found, that's still a complete mystery. I've manually looked through the originals for both Thornton Dale and Ellerburn for the period and there is no entry that would match her.

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Grace Hustler/Hostler or Dodsworth - Thornton Dale
« on: Saturday 16 August 25 13:59 BST (UK)  »
Hi all,

I've come up against a brick wall in the form of Grace Hustler, who I suppose to be my 5x great-grandmother.

From what I can see she married a Thomas Dodsworth by licence on 15 May 1798 at Thornton Dale. The licence (I haven't seen the original but it is on FamilySearch) states he was 50 and she 22. They had six children: John (1801), Richard (1804), Robert (1805), Henry (1808), Elizabeth (1810) and James (1812-1814).

It appears that Thomas Dodsworth died in the meantime because I next find Grace having a series of children with surname Dodsworth, but which have only her name as their parent, noted as a widow. So presumably the next set of children are by someone else: Timothy (1814), Samuel (1817), Joseph (1820) and Hannah (1822 - my ancestor).

There is a Grace in the 1841 census "Grace Dadson" living at Farmanby with (possibly?) her son Robert, her age is only 45 though. In 1851, presumably the same woman is living at Farmanby aged 56 - name "Grace Dodsworth", born at Cloughton.

I then find a burial record for a Grace Dodsworth at Thornton Dale on 23 Feb 1859 aged 80, abode Ellerburn. This I think is the right woman, as it implies at birth year of around 1778/9.

The issue I'm having is two-fold: firstly I cannot seem to find a baptism for Grace at all, which is surprising given the name is fairly uncommon. I'm not aware of any other forms this name could take except in Scotland (Grizel). Secondly the census records above in some ways seem right but the age is way off, so is this even the same person?

I think I have pored over these records so many times that I can't see the forest for the trees! Any help on her origins would be greatly appreciated. This is my matrilineal line so in some way it feels like quite an important one to trace.

Many thanks in advance,

Lewis

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Suffolk / Re: Butley Parish Registers
« on: Thursday 14 August 25 17:10 BST (UK)  »
I had a response from Suffolk Archives on the issue with the Butley registers.

They are aware of the problem and have raised it with Ancestry. Once resolved we should be able to see the registers they have for Butley, which do indeed only date from 1785 for baptism/burial and 1792 for marriages (the latter are already viewable).

Although it was not explicitly stated in their response, from what I can find out it seems that the original PRs for Butley prior to 1785 do not exist. I have looked extensively online and checked Phillimore and they all list a start date of 1785.

The FindMyPast transcriptions must have come from the BTs. Suffolk Archives advised these have been digitised too and they plan to add them to the collection, but they do not have a live date yet.

The BTs for Butley (based on TNA entry) cover 1692-1698, 1705, 1708, 1716, 1718, 1723-1725 1727-1729, 1731, 1733-1736, 1738-1747, 1749-1752, 1754-1771 (and presumably some later ones too). Not ideal but hopefully I will still be able to make some further progress despite the multiple gaps.

Reminds me of when I discovered, some years ago now, that the registers for Monkwearmouth in Durham had gone up in flames in the rector's house in 1790, leaving virtually nothing behind except patchy BT coverage. Kind of galling to know all this information once existed and now it's just gone!

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