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South Africa / Re: Zacks/Sacks - Cape Town
« on: Tuesday 25 March 25 09:48 GMT (UK) »Russell I sent Lynsey this message, if you make another 2 posts then you can message each other in private.
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South Africa / Re: Zacks/Sacks - Cape Town
« on: Monday 24 March 25 15:01 GMT (UK) »Hi Russel
My name is Lynsey Kriel. My mothers' maiden name is Margaret Clarke. Her mother was Freda Hildegard Wasmuth. I spoke to my mom about your article here. She told me that her grandmother was known only as, "Ma". Johanna died in Groote Schuur (Cape Town) hospital of diabetes. Also, it was her son who was known as Uncle Bertie, and not her brother. Other than that, your article is accurate. I know a few more details about family history, but it's better not to use this platform. One burning question, is your mother Hilary, Jeans' daughter?
Hello Lynsey, thank you so much for your message, great to hear from you! Would love to hear more from you. I will see if I can send you my email address in a message.
Close, my mum is Hilary’s sister.
Look forward to hearing from you!
Russell
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South Africa / Re: Zacks/Sacks - Cape Town
« on: Sunday 06 November 22 12:26 GMT (UK) »If you can get a copy of this it should have the parents names.
DEPOT KAB
SOURCE CO
TYPE LEER
VOLUME_NO 8670
SYSTEM 01
REFERENCE 22
PART 1
DESCRIPTION APPLICATION FOR LETTERS OF NATURALIZATION. ISAAC ZACKS.
STARTING 1904
ENDING 1905
Hi there, thank you for your posts. Sorry it has taken me so long to reply.
Excuse my ignorance, but where did you find these? I assume they're from an archive somewhere? How would I go about getting a copy? Thank you so much!
Russell
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South Africa / Re: Zacks/Sacks - Cape Town
« on: Sunday 06 November 22 12:24 GMT (UK) »It could be her marriage - she might have anglicized her name!
Hello Gillian, I am sorry I have taken so long to reply to you. Thank you so much for having a look into this, and for sending these links.
I have seen the death notice for Gert Isaac Zacks but I did not think anything of the Identity Number. We don't really have these in England. Do you know how I would go about ordering a copy of Vault Birth record?
Thanks again.
Russell
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South Africa / Zacks/Sacks - Cape Town
« on: Thursday 06 October 22 08:52 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone.
I posted here a few years ago about my family in South Africa but I know a little bit more info now, so I thought I’d do another post, to see if anyone can uncover anything I’ve missed, as it’s still a bit of a dead end!
My great-grandmother was called Johanna Magdalena Zacks (or Sacks, Zaks, etc.) She was known to family as Ma Jean.
She was born in 1906. One document has her birth place as ‘Lynesburg’ but I’ve struggled to find this place. I wonder if it’s actually ‘Laingsburg’ or something? She died in Salt River, Cape Town, in October 1971.
Her bother was Gert Isaac Zacks, known to some family members as ‘Uncle Bertie/Boetie’. He was born in Cape Town in 1904 and died in Cape Town in 1979.
We were always told she came from a Jewish, possibly Russian or Eastern European family. I recently did a DNA test and I am 6% ‘Jewish Peoples of Europe’ so that makes sense. My mum, a granddaughter of Johanna, did a DNA test and got 17% ‘Jewish Peoples of Europe’ and for her, it pinpointed ‘Jews in Southwest Latvia, Lithuania, & Northwest Belarus’, ‘Jews in Southwest Latvia & Lithuania’, and ‘Jews in Southwestern Lithuania’.
We know that Johanna married a man whose surname was Wasmuth and she had three children with him between 1926 and 1930: Theodore (AKA Trevor), Kathleen Maud, and Fredericka Hildegard (AKA Freda).
However, so the story goes, Mr Wasmuth was not very nice to Johanna, and another man stepped in to help her. He was my great-grandfather, Albertus Lodewicus Antonie Stadler. His father had exactly the same name as him, his mother was called Gertrude Antoinette Palm (she later married another man named Joseph Cohen).
Johanna and Albertus never married (perhaps she left Wasmuth but they never divorced?) but they had four children together between 1935 and 1942: Antoinette Henrietta Gertrude, Albertus Lodewicus Antonie, Gloria Jean Patricia, and Jean Susan Gloria. She had another child, Carol (father unknown), in 1948.
Sadly, Albertus was lost at sea when his fishing trawler went down in a storm off Cape St Francis on 18/19 July 1942.
It does not look like Johanna ever remarried, and after Albertus, she continued to use the name Wasmuth, signing her children’s marriage stuff as either J. Wasmuth or M. Wasmuth. When she was buried, she was listed as ‘Johana Magdalena Wasmuth’.
But I don’t know who this Wasmuth chap was, I have not found a document for their marriage that fits.
There is one marriage in March 1926 between a Rudolf Frederick Gustave Wasmuth and a ‘Jannet Angelina Sacks’ (age 21, so a birth year of circa 1905) which is the right timeframe, but that name is dodgy… This woman signs it J. A. Sacks too.
And I have no idea who Johanna’s parents might be?
If anyone can find any info that I might have missed, I would be truly grateful! Thank you.
Russell
I posted here a few years ago about my family in South Africa but I know a little bit more info now, so I thought I’d do another post, to see if anyone can uncover anything I’ve missed, as it’s still a bit of a dead end!
My great-grandmother was called Johanna Magdalena Zacks (or Sacks, Zaks, etc.) She was known to family as Ma Jean.
She was born in 1906. One document has her birth place as ‘Lynesburg’ but I’ve struggled to find this place. I wonder if it’s actually ‘Laingsburg’ or something? She died in Salt River, Cape Town, in October 1971.
Her bother was Gert Isaac Zacks, known to some family members as ‘Uncle Bertie/Boetie’. He was born in Cape Town in 1904 and died in Cape Town in 1979.
We were always told she came from a Jewish, possibly Russian or Eastern European family. I recently did a DNA test and I am 6% ‘Jewish Peoples of Europe’ so that makes sense. My mum, a granddaughter of Johanna, did a DNA test and got 17% ‘Jewish Peoples of Europe’ and for her, it pinpointed ‘Jews in Southwest Latvia, Lithuania, & Northwest Belarus’, ‘Jews in Southwest Latvia & Lithuania’, and ‘Jews in Southwestern Lithuania’.
We know that Johanna married a man whose surname was Wasmuth and she had three children with him between 1926 and 1930: Theodore (AKA Trevor), Kathleen Maud, and Fredericka Hildegard (AKA Freda).
However, so the story goes, Mr Wasmuth was not very nice to Johanna, and another man stepped in to help her. He was my great-grandfather, Albertus Lodewicus Antonie Stadler. His father had exactly the same name as him, his mother was called Gertrude Antoinette Palm (she later married another man named Joseph Cohen).
Johanna and Albertus never married (perhaps she left Wasmuth but they never divorced?) but they had four children together between 1935 and 1942: Antoinette Henrietta Gertrude, Albertus Lodewicus Antonie, Gloria Jean Patricia, and Jean Susan Gloria. She had another child, Carol (father unknown), in 1948.
Sadly, Albertus was lost at sea when his fishing trawler went down in a storm off Cape St Francis on 18/19 July 1942.
It does not look like Johanna ever remarried, and after Albertus, she continued to use the name Wasmuth, signing her children’s marriage stuff as either J. Wasmuth or M. Wasmuth. When she was buried, she was listed as ‘Johana Magdalena Wasmuth’.
But I don’t know who this Wasmuth chap was, I have not found a document for their marriage that fits.
There is one marriage in March 1926 between a Rudolf Frederick Gustave Wasmuth and a ‘Jannet Angelina Sacks’ (age 21, so a birth year of circa 1905) which is the right timeframe, but that name is dodgy… This woman signs it J. A. Sacks too.
And I have no idea who Johanna’s parents might be?
If anyone can find any info that I might have missed, I would be truly grateful! Thank you.
Russell
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Australia / Re: Stephen Morris 1850 convict
« on: Tuesday 30 July 19 19:42 BST (UK) »If he hadn’t gone out poaching and killed that man I wouldn’t be here.
He was my great x 3 grandfather.
Wow! I guess that makes us distant cousins... I took a photo of the Falcon Inn in Fawley where he was drinking that night, I can send it to you if you like.
I have it that Stephen Morris' mother was Jane Russell, Jane's brother was Joseph Russell, who was my great x5 grandfather. My first name is Russell, and ultimately it comes from that line.
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Scotland / Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« on: Friday 01 February 19 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, sorry for not replying sooner.
Thanks once again for the information, ideas, and advice.
Doesn't look to be very straightforward, but I'll continue to try and look into it!
Thank you.
Thanks once again for the information, ideas, and advice.
Doesn't look to be very straightforward, but I'll continue to try and look into it!
Thank you.
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Scotland / Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« on: Saturday 26 January 19 17:31 GMT (UK) »Thanks, I was trying to guesstimate if perhaps she was with child which would explain why she married young.
Don
The marriage certainly fits - It was in June 1826, first daughter Christiana born ten months later.
John Campbell who marries Christina Sinclair in South Leith in 1826 gives occupation as joiner.
My John Campbell gives occupation as joiner when his first daughter Christiana is born in April 1827.
But the marriage says Christina's father was Angus, the baptism for a Christian Sinclair in 1810, to Angus Sinclair and Margaret MacKay in Reay, Caithness, means that if she was born in 1810, she'd have been about sixteen at marriage, and about seventeen at first childbirth, as Forfarian points out below.
But on the census entries, she gives her age as:
1851: 45 years old (born circa 1806)
1871: 66 years old (born circa 1805)
Indeed. Christiana was 45 in the 1851 census, suggesting that she was born in 1805/1806. I see that Angus Sinclair and Margaret Mackay had Elizabeth, baptised 1804; Angus, 1805; Catherine, 1807; Christian, 1810, Alexander, 1811; Donald, 1812; Barbara, 1816; James, 1820, Elizabeth, 1823; Aeneasina, 1825; so they seem to have been pretty regular in having their family baptised as they came along. Therefore I think it is unlikely that your Christiana was the daughter of Angus Sinclair and Margaret Mackay.
But in the (IMO unlikely) event that she was the daughter of this couple, why is there no Angus among her sons and no Margaret among her daughters?
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Scotland / Re: John Campbell and Christiana Sinclair (?)
« on: Saturday 26 January 19 14:33 GMT (UK) »Angus/McKay was the shoemaker there are two others who were not.
This Campbell/Sinclair marriage occurred in June, when was the date of the birth/baptism of Christina in 1827?
Don
I found Christiana's baptism online as the following:
First name(s) Christiana
Last name Campbell
Birth date 25 Apr 1827
Baptism year 1827
Baptism date 01 Jul 1827
Parish Newcastle
Church John Knox (Presbyterian)
Father's first name(s) John
About the father joiner
Mother's first name(s) Christiana
Residence St. Johns
Also note the 'joiner' link there as well.