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Essex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: COMPLETED 1851, Pinching family, Walthamstow,please.
« on: Friday 17 July 15 10:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Kiwi
It is a small world - I have been here for 11 years now and have dual citizenship which certainly helps with immigration queues at Heathrow. Probably something you never had to experience 50 years ago! Not so many NZ'ers here now since some changes to the immigration policies here - I certainly could not have come the route I did (Working Holiday then Highly Skilled Migrant then Indefinite leave / citizenship) as the highly skilled visas are incredibly hard for people to get now - its only restricted to healthcare professionals etc... Anyhow I digress...
West Norwood is one of the Magnificent Seven cemeteries of London and has around 70 listed monuments within it - during Victorian times you would have had to be pretty well heeled to be buried in the site. The Friends of West Norwood Cemetery often do tours and talks on the site in what has become a pretty popular place to visit in terms of it's more well known buried 'residents' as well as its architectural merits.
...and YES - West Norwood has had an awful history of re-using graves illegally and it is something that is not forgotten here. You probably read that the cemetery is under a Consistory Court ruling (basically the church court) that has judged that the cemetery be managed under a Scheme of Management Committee that makes all of the key decisions for it until such time that a joint petition is made to the consistory court again by the Scheme of Management (and the council) to resume control back to the Council. One of the conditions of a successful petition will be that the Scheme of Management is satisfied with the Councils LEGAL approach to re-use and / or restoration. And this, in a very short summary is what I am doing now as a pilot. The pilot just so happened to include the Pinching plot.
It would be fantastic if you could give me some details of the living family members to discuss this further.
I of course have a photo of the plot but I suspect it is not what you expect! given bomb damage and years of neglect its merely just the footprint of a brick vault. I tried to attach to this but maybe that will work once I have sent my third post.
I also have with names and burial years of each family member and it appears that the plot was once owned by the 'Weller' and 'Wildbore' family and then taken over by the Pinching's through (I presume) marriage. The list is as follows:
Edward Weller 1844
Clara Matilda Wildbore 1846
Frances Sophia Wildbore 1865
Daniel Peacock Wildbore 1879
Alice Edith Pinching 1879
Frances Sophia Pinching 1910
The 'Frances Sophia' appears to the a handed down name that suggests that the Wildbore and Pinching family were linked at some point. It might be that they were Aunty / Niece but who knows!
I have taken photos of the burial registers with these names in them, again once I have private messaging I can share these these with you. Importantly, on the register is Horatio Nelson Pinching being named as the last known proprietor of the grave (taking over in Feb 1914) - he does not appear to be buried here but Alice and Edith presumably were directly related to him.
Anyway, all interesting stuff. Speak to you soon,
Cheers
Steve
It is a small world - I have been here for 11 years now and have dual citizenship which certainly helps with immigration queues at Heathrow. Probably something you never had to experience 50 years ago! Not so many NZ'ers here now since some changes to the immigration policies here - I certainly could not have come the route I did (Working Holiday then Highly Skilled Migrant then Indefinite leave / citizenship) as the highly skilled visas are incredibly hard for people to get now - its only restricted to healthcare professionals etc... Anyhow I digress...
West Norwood is one of the Magnificent Seven cemeteries of London and has around 70 listed monuments within it - during Victorian times you would have had to be pretty well heeled to be buried in the site. The Friends of West Norwood Cemetery often do tours and talks on the site in what has become a pretty popular place to visit in terms of it's more well known buried 'residents' as well as its architectural merits.
...and YES - West Norwood has had an awful history of re-using graves illegally and it is something that is not forgotten here. You probably read that the cemetery is under a Consistory Court ruling (basically the church court) that has judged that the cemetery be managed under a Scheme of Management Committee that makes all of the key decisions for it until such time that a joint petition is made to the consistory court again by the Scheme of Management (and the council) to resume control back to the Council. One of the conditions of a successful petition will be that the Scheme of Management is satisfied with the Councils LEGAL approach to re-use and / or restoration. And this, in a very short summary is what I am doing now as a pilot. The pilot just so happened to include the Pinching plot.
It would be fantastic if you could give me some details of the living family members to discuss this further.
I of course have a photo of the plot but I suspect it is not what you expect! given bomb damage and years of neglect its merely just the footprint of a brick vault. I tried to attach to this but maybe that will work once I have sent my third post.
I also have with names and burial years of each family member and it appears that the plot was once owned by the 'Weller' and 'Wildbore' family and then taken over by the Pinching's through (I presume) marriage. The list is as follows:
Edward Weller 1844
Clara Matilda Wildbore 1846
Frances Sophia Wildbore 1865
Daniel Peacock Wildbore 1879
Alice Edith Pinching 1879
Frances Sophia Pinching 1910
The 'Frances Sophia' appears to the a handed down name that suggests that the Wildbore and Pinching family were linked at some point. It might be that they were Aunty / Niece but who knows!
I have taken photos of the burial registers with these names in them, again once I have private messaging I can share these these with you. Importantly, on the register is Horatio Nelson Pinching being named as the last known proprietor of the grave (taking over in Feb 1914) - he does not appear to be buried here but Alice and Edith presumably were directly related to him.
Anyway, all interesting stuff. Speak to you soon,
Cheers
Steve