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Lincolnshire / Re: Robert Hoff Bryan, Watch and Clockmaker, Lincoln
« on: Tuesday 25 November 25 16:14 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: AlanBoyd on Tuesday 25 November 25 13:22 GMT (UK)
8 May 1857: Stamford Mercury
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Sales by Auction.
Important UNRESERVED SALE of elegant GOLD and SILVER WATCHES, DIALS, TIME-PIECES, CLOCKS, GOLD CHAINS JEWELLERY, STOCK in TRADE and SHOP FIXTURES the Property of the Assignees of Mr Bryan, Watchmaker, Lincoln, a Bankrupt.

To be SOLD by AUCTION,
By BROGDEN and SON,

On Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday, May 11, 12, 13, and 14, 1857, in the long Shop lately occupied by Mr. T. SIMPSON, ironmonger, opposite the premises occupied by Mr. John Norton, draper, to which place the Stock has been removed for convenience of sale, 52 New and splendid Gold and Silver LEVER and other WATCHES, of the best workmanship; White and Black Marble Time-pieces and Skeleton Clocks, under glass shades; magnificent Regulating Clock, with mercurial pendulum, dead beat escapement, jewelled pallets, &c. &c., in solid mahogany case with plate-glass front-shop price 30 Guineas; 20 Eight-day and other Clocks and Time-pieces; Gold Neck Chains, Albert Watch Chains, Seals, Keys. Pencil-cases, Rings, Toothpicks Shirt-pins and Studs, assortment of Jewellery; Silver Spoons, Chains, Pencil-cases, Cigar-holders, Butter-Iives, Pickle-forks, Tooth and Ear-picks, Albert Chains, Guard Chains, &c. &c: &c.; Electro-plated Marrow-spoons,. Dishes, Table and Dessert Forks, Gravy, Table, Tea, Mustard, and Salt-spoons, Sauce Ladles, Tea and Coffee Pots, Sugar-bowls, &c. &c.; large stock of Watchmaker's Goods, 1500 Watch-glasses, Main-springs, Clock-faces, Lines, Balls, and Spires; Enamelled Watch-dials, and a large assortment of Tools and Materials.

The valuable Household FURNITURE, Beds, Bedding, &c. &c., will be sold on Thursday.
Descriptive catalogues may be had (2d. each), at the Auction Offices, Lincoln, on and after Monday next.
Lincoln, April 27, 1857.


Thank you.

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Lincolnshire / Re: Robert Hoff Bryan, Watch and Clockmaker, Lincoln
« on: Tuesday 25 November 25 16:13 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: AlanBoyd on Tuesday 25 November 25 13:12 GMT (UK)
24 August 1860: Stamford Mercury
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CONINGSBY.—Sudden Death.—On Friday last, just after breakfast, the inhabitants of this place were thrown into a state of consternation by a report that Mr. R. H. Bryan watchmaker, had suddenly died at Mr. Barnett's, draper, Tattershall. It appears that Mr. Bryan rose at 5 o'clock, when he seemed cheerful & well: he partook of a hearty breakfast, and left home for Tattershall station, intending to go to Lincoln. He proceeded by the river bank (it being the nearer way), and had nearly reached Tattershall, when he met Mr. R. Hartly, to whom he said he felt unwell, and feared he should be too late for the train. Still feeling unwell he relinquished the idea of going to Lincoln, and resolved to return home by way of Tattershall, His indisposition increasing he called at Mr. Barnett's to rest himself, observing that he felt very unwell. Just then Jackson (who runs a conveyance to the station) passed, and Mr. Bryan shouted after him, requesting him to call as he returned to take him home. He then sat down in Mr. Barnett's shop, and said, "What poor frail creatures we are!" Mr. Barnett replied, " Yes, how feeble is our mortal frame; what dying worms we be!" Seeing a change in Mr. Bryan, Mr. Barnett ran for Mr Marshall, draper, his next-door neighbour who came with a bottle of smelling salts, but Mr Bryan's head fell back, and the vital spark had become extinct. The body was conveyed to Mrs. Rhodes, the Fortescue Arms, and an inquest was held the following day before Mr. J. C. Little, coroner, when a verdict was returned of "death from disease of the heart, induced by excitement and over exertion." Mr. Bryan was an excellent scholar, an intelligent man, and reporter for two newspapers. The esteem in which he was held was evinced by the large number who attended his funeral. He was conveyed to the grave by six Wesleyan local preachers, he himself having been one some years ago.

Thank you.

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Lincolnshire / Re: Robert Hoff Bryan, Watch and Clockmaker, Lincoln
« on: Tuesday 25 November 25 16:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: trish1120 on Tuesday 25 November 25 12:14 GMT (UK)
Roberts Father was a Shoemaker according to bapts of Roberts siblings.

EG    05 Jun 1818 ELIZA Hoff Bryan

John BRYAN married Elizabeth HOFF 05 Jul 1809 Alford

(FreeREG)

Thank you.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport
« on: Friday 07 February 25 07:45 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: amondg on Thursday 06 February 25 20:03 GMT (UK)
Thomas 1873 has mother's maiden name transcribed as Honshaw of the GRO site.

There is a death recorded 1874 age 0

Thank you. He is on my tree already. Thomas was born on the 5th of June 1873 in Whitehaven, and died there on the 1st of June 1874.  :)

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport
« on: Thursday 06 February 25 13:03 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: amondg on Thursday 06 February 25 12:25 GMT (UK)
Maria Henshaw may have been Non Conformist, so the registers may not be on line.

They had a lot more children.
Joseph William 1867 reg. Stockport
Elizabeth 1869  died 1869   reg. Stockport
Elizabeth Griffith 1870  reg. Stockport
Thomas 1873   reg. Whitehaven
Frederick 1875 reg. Whitehaven
Charles 1878 reg. Whitehaven
Mary 1881 reg. Salford
Sam 1883 reg. Nottingham died 18 October 1883 age 5 months.

With mother's maiden name Henshaw.

Thank you.
I have all of this information regarding Joseph's siblings EXCEPT the birth registration of a Thomas registered in 1873 at Whitehaven. That Thomas might have died before the 1881 census, because I can't find him in Salford with his parents at that time. Joseph's father Samuel was in the Glass and China trade. He must have moved to Whitehaven between 1871 after the census, and before that birth in 1873.
By the 1881 census, he was living in Salford.
I did manage to find the baptism of Mary Pennington in 1881 at St. Clement, Ordsall-In-Salford, Lancashire, on the 15th of March 1882. -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7GV-9SQ?lang=en
Was that a Non-Conformist baptism? Thanks.

The mother Maria was baptised at Tiviot Dale Wesleyan Chapel. -
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/222185681/maria_pennington

Much obliged.  :) ;)

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport
« on: Thursday 06 February 25 12:32 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Pennines on Thursday 06 February 25 12:21 GMT (UK)
Well - as you know the St Mary's records are definitely on Ancestry - but looking through the register there seems to be only 3 baptisms in July 1867. Strange.

In addition I can't find him later - there is a Joseph, son of Samuel and Mary baptised in Warrington - but that Samuel was a Police Officer.

Regarding Samuel's burial - have you checked with the local cemetery please? Also - have you found Maria's burial? He may just be buried with her.

I have looked on Deceased on Line - but he doesn't come up.

Thank you.

I have repiled to you below.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport
« on: Thursday 06 February 25 12:30 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

Thank you for looking.
So it seems that the registers of St Mary's are on Ancestry (I no longer subscribe to Ancestry myself). I tried to find the original images on family search, but as of yet have had no luck.

Samuel's wife Maria "daughter of William Henshaw" was buried at Christchurch Heaton Norris, on the 8th of October 1884. If Samuel was buried in the same grave as Maria, then his name wasn't inscribed on the monument. -

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/222185681/maria-pennington

I haven't checked with the local cemetery.

Thank you.  :) :)

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / Re: The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport
« on: Thursday 06 February 25 12:04 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CaroleW on Thursday 06 February 25 11:46 GMT (UK)
Not all children were baptised.  Also - baptisms could take place many months - & in some case years - after a birth.

Nothing on FS or Ancestry.

Thank you.

Yes, I have tried Family Search, FreeReg, Ancestry, and Find My Past too, and found nothing also. But I did a bit of looking into the parish registers of St Mary's Stockport, and think I have found out that a lot of those registers have not been indexed, and are not online. (Which I find strange because I'm sure years ago looking on family search, I saw the original parish register images for certain years. But anyway). So my thinking from this is that if that is the case, then that would explain why the record cannot be found online. I also do realise that baptisms could take place months or years after the person was born, and that not all children were baptised. But on balance I think there is at least a very good chance that he was baptised, and is more likely than he wasn't.

Thank you.

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Cheshire Lookup Requests / The Baptism Of Joseph William Pennington, born in 1867 at Stockport
« on: Thursday 06 February 25 11:14 GMT (UK)  »
Hello there,

If someone has access to the parish records of St Mary's, Stockport or transcriptions for around 1867, could they please look to see if one of my 2x greats was baptised then at this church? I would be very grateful. Thank you.                                                                                                                                  Joseph William Pennington was born on the 3rd of July 1867, at 6, Park Street, Stockport, the son of Samuel and his wife Maria. I believe this is very close to St Mary's. His sister Elizabeth Griffiths Pennington was born in 1870 at Stockport. I have never been able to find baptisms for either of them. In the 1871 census, they were at 8, St Petersgate.

I have also not had any success in trying to find the burial record of Joseph's father Samuel, and was wandering if this may be because he was buried at St Mary's. Samuel died at 16, Todd Street, Stockport, on the 11th of November 1919.

Any information will be gratefully accepted.  :) :)

Thank you very much.

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