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Hello all,

I thought I would post a quick update.

Thanks to the very kind help on this thread, I think I am quite a bit further forward and it looks like I might have solved another one of the mysteries in my tree and firmed up quite a few of the connections we've discussed.

Put briefly (it likely won't be that brief by the time I have finished), we had long wondered why my grandfather was called Edward "Mowbray" Dale. The Mowbray just seemed odd and without context, more so because there were 2 other "Edward Mowbray Dales" in the tree. The name clearly meant something to the family.

Thanks to the excellent Wesleyan Baptism info furnished in this thread, the names Edward and Francis Skelton popped up.

Looking around, I found a marriage in Sculcoates on May 17th 1774 between Edward Skelton and Francis Mowbray. Bingo, that's a very compelling lead on the origin of "Edward Mowbray".

And the trail very nicely leads to Edward and Francis settling in Grimsby, having several children there including Elizabeth Skelton, who married William Dale in Grimsby, where upon they started producing children, the 3rd of whom, Francis (1811-1813) passed away in North Shields, where the family had by then relocated to.

Going back a step, it also seems very likely that the William Dale, likely to be my great great great great granfather, born 1783 and married to Elizabeth Skelton, did indeed have a link to the ship Providence, which saw some action including the capture of a Dutch ship in 1805. (Wonder if the prize money paid for the marriage?)

Now, here arises another problem. I've found William's Master and Mates certificate, which confirms his duty on the Providence as a Quartermaster, and a date of birth as 15th June 1783.

If anyone following this thread recalls, you might remember we discussed also my thought that there might be a connection to the Mitcalf (Metcalfe) family line, in that a Shallet Dale maried a Dorothy Metcalf on 12th Jan 1779.

You might also recall my connections to Slaters (the proffession) in North Shields and the fact that respondents on this thread uncovered a William Dale (1832), a master slater in N Shields.

This William looks to be a son of John Dale (1807), himself a son of William Dale and Elizabeth Skelton.

The fact that William (1832) was on Reed Street at the same time as my great great great grandfather in 1881 seems more than a co-incidence.

Also, the fact that John Dale (1807) named one of his children Dorothy Maria Mitcalfe Dale and one his son's named a daughter Augusta Mitcalfe Dale, suggests a connection to Shallet Dale and Dorothy Metcalfe.

It's "Mowbray" all over again.

But I can't quite join them up.

Shallet Date and Dorothy Metcalfe did indeed have a William Dale in much the right time and place, but it's a few years out. As you will recall, I have William's Masters Cert, and it states a date of birth of 15th June 1783. The baptism record I have seen for the birth of a William to Shallet Date and Dorothy Metcalfe places his DOB as 29 Oct 1784 (Baptism 17 Mar 1785). So a few years adrift.

So is it the same person, or is there another branching avenue that would lead me to connect to Shallet and Dorothy?

Anyway, hope that's of interest - I've found many avenues for research by stumbling on old threads on sites like this, so hopefully in years to come another Dale will find this helpful.

Regards

John

Im not sure if anyone is coming back to this post.
I am related to the Dales family od North Shields.
Although i live in Grimsby i have never founf any links to the Dale Family.
My father was William Dale Swan born in Seaham Harbour,  His father was also William Dale Swan.
Dorothy Mitcalfe and Shallett Dale are my 4 x great grandparents