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We think the badge on his hat matches the royal garrison artillery but it won't let me upload the picture

I want to say good luck ratatouille in your search for your family I'm sure we will probably bump into each other on these forums one way or another (Fred hey !!) and I called my son Freddie too!!
Thinking about the march to London, my Fred would have only been 13 and your Fred in the army so maybe Fred no3?

And thank you Steve for your help I sing seem to know where to start with a lot of it, but I just can't find any military records for Donald (grandad) if he was a spy or involved in any secrecy how would I find out?

Thanks again everyone

My family know very little about the gates family back then, so has been very difficult. It's still quite hard as you say which Fred did what and when. I have a photograph of my Fred with his wife lily and there are similarities to your Fred, so I presumed they where the same person. I was originally searching my grand father Donald Reginald Gates but I am able to find very little about him. He told us stories of world war 2 but j can find absolutely no record of him

Im very confused my great grandfather was called Fred gates and is the man pictured with his brothers Walter and Ernest

Hi
I am one of Fred gates great granddaughters my mum was Karen gates daughter of Donald gates son of Fred gates and lily Warner
This is all such a shock but would explain why this family is so difficult to trace.