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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Re: Herbert Mather b 1876 Todmorden d 1907?
« on: Monday 05 September 16 03:06 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for your help with those two replies. Now that I have a clearer date I will see if I can obtain a death certificate for him.
Thanks again

Michael Mather

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Yorkshire (West Riding) Lookup Requests / Herbert Mather b 1876 Todmorden d 1907?
« on: Monday 05 September 16 00:15 BST (UK)  »
I am looking for information on Herbert Mather - particularly when he died. He married Amelia Whitlock of Barnoldwick in 1899 at Gill Church, Barnoldswick. They had three children - Clara b 1899, Albert b 1907 and William b 1908 all births registered in Skipton. By the 1911 Census the family, without Herbert, were living with Amelia's father Frederick William Adams in Barnoldswick where she is noted as a widow.

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I am looking for any information on Harry Morrall. He went to the York School of Science and Art where he is listed on the Pass list for examination in 1894 at St Leonard's Place School. In 1898 he is listed as receiving his Art Master's Certificate and it looks like he taught at The Kensington Government School of Science and Art in Bristol in the early 1900's, before moving back to York - the 1911 Census shows him living with his three sisters in Bootham Terrace. I believe he later became second master at the Hull School of Art. Anything that can fill in the gaps would be appreciated.

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England / Cecil Henry St Leger Russell b Trinidad 1862 and John Russell b 1839 Kent
« on: Sunday 03 January 16 20:16 GMT (UK)  »
I am trying to connect the two Russell's above. Cecil attended Lancing College as did John Russell's sons Charlie, Hubert, and Leonard - see below. In the Lancing Register it refers to Charlie, Hubert and Leonard as being cousins of Cecil Henry, but I cannot find how this connection works - perhaps the register meant second cousins ? John Russell became a well known brewer in Kent.


Extracts from the Lancing Register covering 1848 - 1900 ( from the web site  https://archive.org/stream/registerofsnicho00lancuoft/registerofsnicho00lancuoft_djvu.txt) :-

791.Russell, Cecil Henry St. Leger, born 8 April, 1862, eldest son of
Richard Russell, Esq., Receiver-General of Trinidad, entered S. H. as
Exhibitioner, Sept., 1873, lef t July, 1881 (Football XL, 1877-81 ;
Cricket XL, 1877-81 ; Captain, 1879-81 ; Prefect, 1878 ; Captain of
School, 1879-81). Scholar of Trinity College, Oxon, 1881 ; Second
Class Mods.; Second Class Lit. Hum.; Chancellor's Latin Verse, 1883;
Gaisford Greek Verse, 1883 ; Gaisford Greek Prose, 1884; Tutor to Lord
Hugh Cecil, 1885-86; Assis- tant Master St. Paul's School, 1887-94 J
VIth Form Master, Clifton, since 1894. Married, 29 July, 1890,
Blanche Wellsted, daughter of Arthur H. Wansey, Esq., of Stoke Bishop,
Bristol. Address 40, Clifton Park Road, Clifton, Bristol.
1076. Russell, Harley, born 24 Sept., 1865, second son of Richard
Russell, Esq. (see No. 791), entered S. H. Jan., 1 88 1. Died at
Lancing 14 March, 1882 buried in Lancing Churchyard. (Brother of
791.)

1208. Russell, Charlie, born 12 June, 1870, son of John Russell, Esq.,
of Rosherville, Kent, entered S. H. Jan., 1883, left Dec., 1886.
Subsequently in Switzerland. Now Brewer and Maltster. Address
Hillside, Milton next Gravesend, Kent. (Brother of 1209 and 1344 ;
cousin of 791, &c.)

1209. Russell, Hubert, born 31 Aug., 1871, son of John Russell, Esq.
(above), entered S. H. Jan., 1883, left July, 1887. Address
Glenthorne, Gravesend. (Brother of 1208 and 1344 ; cousin of 791,
&c.)

1344. Russell, Leonard, born Christmas Day, 1872, son of John Russell,
Esq., of The Mount, Rosherville, entered S. H. Sept., 1885, left Dec.,
1888. Subse- quently at R. M. A., Sandhurst ; 2nd Lieut. East
Lancashire Regt., 1895; Lieut. 2nd Batt., 1897. Address Rhani Ket,
Bengal, India. (Brother of 1208 and 1209 ; cousin of 791, etc

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Hello Bob,
I am just about to leave on vacation for 10 days but will try and contact you on my journey. It would be terrific to see the illustrations so I will go to your web site when I get the chance. I have attached a review from The Science of Mind May 1930 which may interest you if you have not seen it.
Will contact you again soon,
Michael

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Hello Bob,
Yes my grandmother was Gwendolen Russell who wrote under her middle name of Cecil G Trew. She married Neil Trew, a doctor in Los Angeles when he was in Bristol England helping with WWI. They then moved back to LA  where she lived until his death, at which time she moved back to Bristol with her family. I do not have a copy of the bool you mention but have most of her others. I would be more than happy to give you any information that I have which might be of interest to you.
Michael Mather

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Thanks for that information. Do you know whether a Octavius Harley was also on that ship traveling to Trinidad ? He was Richard Russell's brother-in-law, who also ended up in Trinidad in the administration there (I have a record for him for 1862 working there ) ?
 

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The reference to 'arm' for Richard Russell came from the book 'Oxford Men  1880 - 1892' by Joseph Foster published in 1893 listing Oxford Alumni. The Book has no key to the abbreviations used (presumably all in common usage then). He uses "gent." "gen"  "esq." and "cler" (cleric ?)  when not ascribing a particular profession to the father of the student e.g. captain 14th light infantry or director-general ordnance factories. Do you have any insight into these abbreviations and whether there is any overlap with the term "arm." or subtleties of use ?

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Yes, that is the correct Richard Russell. The marriage was on the 12th March 1861 so before the Census for that year, which I believe was on the 7th April.
I am not sure that the 1851 census in Dover, Kent is him as two of his older brothers are still in Hammersmith working in a bank at that time. Thomas was married in Kensington in 1854 to Valeria Harley who was a sister of Richard's bride Rosa Harley, but the age and birth place look very good.
It is intriguing to me that he managed to become Auditor General within 11 years of being perhaps a clerk. I think I need to find out what sort of position it was e.g. civil service, army etc. His son C H Russell 's entry in Oxford University matriculation lists his father as " Richard, arm." which I assume means army ? This family tree stuff can definitely be a 'two pipe problem' - where's Watson when you need him !



Census Record for the brothers :-
RG number: HO107
Piece: 1571
Folio: 386
Page: 29
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: St Mary's Lambeth 1st Part
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's 1st Part
City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth
Address: 6, Wolsingham Place, Lambeth
County: Surrey

SAXTON, Charles B Head Married M 38 1813 Gacler At White & St Prison Melcombe, Dorsetshire
SAXTON, Matilda Wife Married F 45 1806 St Geo H S, Middlesex
POIDEVAN, Charles Boarder Unmarried M 27 1824 Clerk To A Banker St Jas Westr, Middlesex
POIDEVAN, Ellen Boarder Unmarried F 26 1825 Annuitant St Jas Westr, Middlesex
COSSER, Letitia Inmate Unmarried F 44 1807 Annuitant Calcutta B Subject
RUSSELL, John Inmate Unmarried M 26 1825 Clerk To A Banker Hamh, Middlesex
RUSSELL, Thomas Inmate Unmarried M 20 1831 Clerk To A Banker Hamh, Middlesex

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