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Staffordshire / Re: More about William Hulstone 1851 in Broad Eye, Staffs
« on: Yesterday at 17:48 »
1901 census - the Nicklins were back in Broad Eye.
1911 - Elizabeth Nicklin widow inmate, workhouse, and died 1912.

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Staffordshire / Re: More about William Hulstone 1851 in Broad Eye, Staffs
« on: Yesterday at 14:47 »
That’s brilliant thank you.

I was hoping there were family descendants somewhere. If the line persisted to now then possibly someone will DNA test, which might confirm that my ancestor Job Hulstone Bannister of Broad Eye was William’s son. Harriet Lees married Isaac Devall Bannister of Broad Eye when 7 months pregnant with Job.  She was 18 when they married. I have plenty of info on them.

The Bannisters, Devalls and Lees families were all in Broad Eye for a number of censuses. Also some were in Broad St and Cherry St. at different times.

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Staffordshire / Re: More about William Hulstone 1851 in Broad Eye, Staffs
« on: Yesterday at 10:36 »
I did see Drayton in Hales - that explains it!

Tx for finding the family and confirming the info.

I think shoe making was an extremely common occupation, similar to agricultural labourer, but certainly Broad Eye was a concentration of them.

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Staffordshire / Re: More about William Hulstone 1851 in Broad Eye, Staffs
« on: Yesterday at 09:23 »
Thank you very much Kay99. It looks like you’ve cracked it. His Market Drayton birthplace certainly helps but I still didn’t spot those entries.

Broad Eye was a cluster of houses that were mostly occupied by shoe workers.

Presumably as a single man, it was usual to lodge with a family where he’d be provided with meals. As he owned two houses he must have had a reasonable income. I wonder if he appeared later in electoral registers?

I also wonder about his wider family back in the Market Drayton area.


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Staffordshire / More about William Hulstone 1851 in Broad Eye, Staffs
« on: Tuesday 30 December 25 20:02 GMT (UK)  »
In the 1851 census, William Hulstone is shown at 46 Broad Eye, single, 34 (so born abt 1817), a shoe maker, a lodger, born Market Drayton, Salop.  In the household of Ann Tildesley, head, widow, 68, pauper, born Colton, Staffs and Samuel Cooper, lodger, 28, shoe maker, born Stafford.

Also, in the 1851 poll book, William is shown 'of Broad Eye' as an eligible voter due to two freehold houses, occupied/tenanted (?) by Richard Weston and Isaac Devell (who presumably is 1877-1861). I can't find Richard Weston.

In the 1851 census, widowed Margaret Bannister with Catherine and Isaac Deavall/oll were at 48 Broad Eye, living with Isaac, 64, (i.e. the 1877-1861 Isaac) and Jane (his second wife) Deavole.  I have found out a lot about this family so please don't spend time on them.

Re William Hulstone,  I've found a possible baptism in 1817 with parents William and Elizabeth nee Dean.  And found sisters Elizabeth born 1812 and Ann (1819-27).  Are there any other children? Elizabeth might have married Joseph Higgins in 1838 in Market Drayton. Did they have children? 

In 1861 census he's in Nantwich, a boarder, 44, cordwainer. in the Hollowood household.

In 1871 census he's at 8 Broad Eye, lodger with the Meddings household.

1881 census he's in 22 Cherry St, Stafford, single, 64, cordwainer.

I can't find him in the 1841 census, or after 1881, haven't found a marriage, or a death, looking for Hulston(e) or Houlston. He hasn't popped up in the newspaper archive (BNA) either.

You are all much better at searching than me so I hope you can find more please.

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World War Two / Re: WW2 no service record?
« on: Tuesday 30 December 25 18:50 GMT (UK)  »
Yes I think the gas idea probably came from him having a health issue - probably a smoker as so many were.

From one of your links: ...There were two kinds of VP posts, VP1’s were guarded by VP Sections with various kinds of arms and were dug in in a static defensive position.   VP2’s were normal VP points and were operated as a flexible guard, these men normally carried truncheons and whistles.   These Companies were formed from older men and men of a lower medical category...

His kit issue included a truncheon and whistle and a whistle chain.   

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World War Two / Re: WW2 no service record?
« on: Tuesday 30 December 25 17:36 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks Andy J2022, that's all helpful.

A family member thought he'd been gassed but not sure whether that was WW1 or 2. And might have just been an assumption because of struggling to breathe after running for a bus (after WW2).  He is stated fit for service in the attestation for WW2 though.

I'll look up those links.

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World War Two / Re: WW2 no service record?
« on: Tuesday 30 December 25 15:48 GMT (UK)  »
Success.  The record was for the correct person, and the wrong year of birth (1894 instead of 1897 as on his birth cert) stated on all the documents, so it wasn't a typo.  I can't see any reason for him to have lied about his year of birth. He would have been old enough to enlist in WW1 so would not have needed to lie then. In WW2 perhaps it was better to be older, to avoid seeing action?

The attestation showed him signed up for 4 years service in the Territorial Army Reserve (National Defence Company) in June 1939. He declared being in the 1st Cambridgeshire Regt in 1914, and in the Royal Engineers in 1919.

The file of papers included his service record and various loose documents, from which I've summarised:

1940 posted to 9th Suffolk Regt
1941 June - letter from Cambridge police saying he appears to be a suitable person for the blue caps
Jun 1941 transferred to the Corps of Military Police, Bournemouth. VP [=vulnerable points wing]
Sep. Posted Eastern Command. Depot. Auth. APM/VP 5/41 + Coast/Adm/B/VP/146
May 1942 posted to 302 Company (VP)
Oct 1942 Posted to Y list
Dec 1942 Posted to 302 Company (VP)
Feb 1943 Signed official secrets act
June 1943 303 Company (VP)
April 1944 304 Company (VP)
June 1944 303 Company (VP)
14 Jan 1945 395 Company (VP)
23 Jan 1945 303 Company (VP)
Feb 1945 416 Company (VP)
May 1945 375 Company (VP)
July 45 Y List
Sep 45 Discharged as permanently unfit for any form of military service. ex 375 Company VP CMP
Noted that 'disability under 20% Unconnected E.5.'

If anyone has insights on the above abbreviations, that would be useful.  eg unconnected E.5.

Were any of these companies posted overseas?  Are there any accounts of where these companies operated?

Bournemouth cropped up a few times - seems to be the location of admin for CMP personnel.

It appears he was not part of the special ops wing of CMP (as speculated by his family), so that's one question answered.


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The Common Room / Re: Missing lines on Non-Conformist Baptism records ?
« on: Tuesday 23 December 25 19:49 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Steve3180 on Tuesday 23 December 25 12:02 GMT (UK)
This is strange, there is a record for John on the first line of page 5, same date of birth, baptized two years earlier. John is my 3GGF.
I read William's dob as Augt. 27th 1818, other 5's on the page have a horizontal bar at the top whereas the 8's finish with an upward slanting flourish.
Ah well I was hoping to find Elizabeth but it was always a long shot. I'm very thankful that you looked this up for me, I would have had an itch about it that I couldn't scratch otherwise.
There is enough other circumstantial evidence that Elizabeth is their daughter but it's always nice to have a definitive document.

I wonder if the parents left that church and Elizabeth was baptised at a CofE church or a non-conformist one in another town eg where the grandparents or other relatives lived, or where they moved to, if they did move?

One of the people I was tracing was born in London but baptised in Chesterfield, Derbyshire, where grandparents lived.

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