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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Sunday 21 July 24 21:47 BST (UK)  »
In the Glenavy Church burial records:
1845 March 16, John Bell of Ballinderry, aged 47
1845 March 30, John Bell of Ballyvorally, aged 93
1845 April 4, John Bell of Agnadaragh, aged 92
(it was a bad time to be named John Bell)

PRONI Pre-1858 Wills and Admons:
1845 John Bell, Ballymacrevan, Ballinderry - index only, will has not survived.
1846 John Bell, Glenavy - index only, will has not survived.

The Glenavy Church records have no John Bells being buried in 1846, but there is a conspicuous absence of any burials at all of anyone for the entire month of November.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Saturday 20 July 24 22:14 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: Gilby on Saturday 20 July 24 15:09 BST (UK)
SpudKiwi,

Do you have the full ROD reference for the two deeds you mentioned?

Sorry, I dont know what a ROD reference is, but the PRONI reference is T956/126.

FYI Susanna Oakman Shubridge, wife of James Shubridge, died May 12 1838 aged 28. Belfast Newsletter May 18 1838 pg 2.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Saturday 20 July 24 00:10 BST (UK)  »
I have DNA matches also with 5 descendants of Clements Bell and Sarah Ann Palmer, and 3 descendants of Judge Alexander McCullough Bell.
I am up to 10 DNA matches now with descendants of Robert Bell of Glenfield. None of these are suitable for a Y-DNA test though.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Friday 19 July 24 22:43 BST (UK)  »
Also:
1845 March 15, in the Vindicator:
English vs Oakman, Executor of John Bell

Mr Crozier opened the pleadings. The declaration contained two counts, and damages were laid at 300l. Defendant pleaded plene administravit.

Mr Nelson stated the plaintiffs case. This was an action brought to recover the sum of 45l, the amount of a promissory note passed by the testator to the defendant in the year 1842.

Several witnesses were produced, who proved that the defendant had received assets of the testator to the value of about 290l.

For the defence, it was relied on that the defendant was entitled to retain out of the assets a salary, which he claimed, as the steward and manager of the testator; and a number of witnesses were produced, who proved that the defendant had lived with the testator. and had assisted him in the management of his farm. It was also proved that the defendant had made payments to the amount of £230 on account of debts due by the testator at the time of his death.

His Lordship charged the jury; and in a few minutes, they brought in a verdict for the plaintiff, £45 damages, and 6d costs.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Friday 19 July 24 22:31 BST (UK)  »
Last year I went to PRONI looking for evidence that John Bell of Ballytrummery and John Bell of Glenfield were the same man. I found that they were not.

I have DNA matches that descend from Robert Bell of Glenfield (brother) so it seemed plausible.

What I did find was that John Bell of Ballytrummery (father of Allen Bell of Crumlin) was buried at Glenavy September 5, 1843 aged 64. In 1839 December 2, there is a burial record for Susan wife of John Bell of Ballytrummery aged 67.

The Calendar of Wills index has a listing for John Bell Glenavy 1843, but the will has not survived.

Probate was granted to Benjamin Oakman September 26, 1845.

1842 A deed: Memorial of Indented Deed of settlement and assignment dated 1st August 1833, and made between William Oakman of Pigeonstown Co Antrim farmer 1st part, and James Shubridge of Belfast Co Antrim Victualler and Susanna Shubridge otherwise Oakman his wife daughter of sd Wm Oakman 2nd part, and John Bell of Ballytrummery in said county of Antrim farmer and John Oakman of Pigeonstown in said County Farmer as Trustees of said Susanna Shubridge of the 3rd part.....

1846 January 26 Bankrupt and Insolvent Calendar : Assignees appointed to Insolvents Estate - In the matter of John Bell of Ballytrummery county Antrim farmer - Assignee Appointed - John Bell, Glenfield, near Crumlin, county Antrim, Farmer, in room of Bennett McGarry, removed.

Apart from the 2 John Bells being different men, I'm not too sure what to make of the rest of it. Did not notice a marriage for John and Susan, or if they had any children.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Sunday 25 September 22 22:48 BST (UK)  »
I have received information from a representative of St Aidans Church, of the following baptisms:

Page 1. Glenavy C/I  Baptisms (Proni ref MIC1/44/1
Baptised 20th Dec 1840  Anne ND (natural daughter) of John Bell Ballytrummery and Margaret Cormican of Femore
Baptised 26th Dec 1841 Allen NS (natural son) of John Bell and Margaret Cormican both of Ballytromery.
Baptised 23rd April 1843 Catherine ND (natural daughter) of John Bell and Margaret Cormican of Ballytromery.
Baptised 17th March 1844 John NS (natural son) of John Bell and Margaret Cormican of Ballytromery

These are the Allen, Catherine and John that came to New Zealand in the early to mid 1860s.

My father is a direct male descendant of Allen, and has done a Y-111 DNA test if anyone is interested.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Sunday 25 September 22 22:42 BST (UK)  »
PRONI ref D2025-1 dated June 11, 1822 "A memorial of an intended deed of conveyance" was witnessed by Dolway Bell and Arthur Bell both of Glenfield.

All PRONI references starting with D2025 seem to be related to the Glenfield property.

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Antrim / Re: Allen Bell, b.1840/41 Crumlin, Co Antrim
« on: Wednesday 21 September 22 08:30 BST (UK)  »
I have tracked down a descendant of Robert Bell of Glenfield, and they are a DNA match with 6 out of 15 descendants of Allen Bell and his sister Catherine Bell.

This probably isn't enough to prove that my John Bell is the brother of Robert and Henry Bell of Glenfield, but he is definitely related to them somehow.

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Australia / Re: CRAIGEN - did mother and son go to Oz from NZ?
« on: Monday 16 November 20 20:15 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you majm.

I shall give the library a crack.

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