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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Thursday 18 June 15 10:45 BST (UK)  »
How did Mervyns wife look like?We dug so much into her and her family I am curious :P

There was one image of Florence in the RPS archives.  A bromide print, dated 1913, showed head & shoulders of her in right profile.  Dark background, but she was facing a window which illuminated her face.  Hair in a bun or pleat, wearing a white shirt with high collar, and bow or ruffles on the front. Very soft features, which might be due to the 'diffused'look of the overall image, but certainly nothing rigid or stuffy, nor angular or prominent about her.  Beautiful print.

I have done an extensive google images search, but can't find it online anywhere.

One thing that struck me when looking at the collection as a whole, was that every image was dated 1913.  Not a single other date came up, which got me wondering if these were just a small number of his images.  Maybe all his '1913' work was in a box which ended up at the RPS, and other boxes of other years work lie in an attic or junk shop somewhere.  Here's hoping they come to light some day :)




I really hope they put the pictures up onto their achieves someday.Would love to see them myself :)And yes there must be more of his pictures somewhere out there.I wonder how the slides ended up to the guy(his father-in-law) though.

Anyways,I am happy that the mystery has been solved and happy with what we have today regarding Christina.
A holiday in England would be lovely,Been to most of European countries but never to the UK :-[ maybe next summer :D

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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Wednesday 17 June 15 04:16 BST (UK)  »
How did Mervyns wife look like?We dug so much into her and her family I am curious :P

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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Tuesday 26 May 15 04:59 BST (UK)  »
  ""1904 O'GORMAN, Mervyn, 82, Victoria Street, London, S.W. Cars: Oldsmobile, 5-h.p. electric victoria (Still system). Total distance travelled since becoming a motorist. About 15,000 miles. Hobbies: Touring with camera, sketching, shooting. Principal aim in furthering automobilism: To promote the use by municipalities and others of motor-cars instead of trams; to open up poor districts and the colonies by good roads and cars, instead of delaying development until the remote time when the heavy Standing charges of a railway could he met. Club: Burlington Fine Arts. [1] ""

It would appear that Mervyn indeed loved touring with camera and promoted cars instead of trams.

Mervyn being "a charming and humorous man with enormous physical and mental energy" and quite easy going that he would drive with an expired license,I can easily imagine him driving to Dorset from London even taking more than a day or two.I doubt that he would have made a trip to Dorset by train.

And yes it is likely the Christina was a daughter of his friend living in Dorset but that raises some questions about the portrait of younger Christina and the image 11 and the fact he had taken photos of her on many different occasions,possibly more are out there unpublished or destroyed.Maybe she was TOURING with him from London?

He had a firm named ""O'Gorman and Cozens-Hardy in London"" with E. H. Cozens-Hardy from  Automobile Club of Great Britain and Ireland,later from 1907 known as Royal Automobile Club.

He must have had a lot of friends from the club who also liked cars.He could have been touring with his car loving friend(s) with their daughters and wife,whom Mervyn had also known for years.








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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Saturday 23 May 15 11:04 BST (UK)  »
I am fairly convinced that the image 1 and 11 are of the same girl that we are looking for.Different lighting and was taken from a lower angle and the image 11 being taken possibly years later.

All the color photos must have been taken over a few days at most,She is wearing the same top and the belt in the image 2,3,4 and 9 as well.With all the set-up I would imagine they spent a whole day taking photos at the beach,are there any houses near the beach though?Even with a car of Mervyns their mobility must have been limited in 1913.The pond and garden must be not that far from the beach.

And Lastly,if you look at some bigger and better quality pictures you can see the girl in the image 5 bears some great resemblance to the image 10 - her strong chin and straight nose,and the blonde hair color and its length.While not convinced,I do think the girl from the 5 is the same girl in the 10.

Well lets see what the cousin of Winifred and RPS say.It would be lovely to see the actual photos but I live in the far east of Russia so England is literally the opposite side of the world to me.I would have to leave the visit to you :(

I hope the visit yields some new progress there.


I going to leave some good quality photos where you can enlarge them huge on the screen.

http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Christina-5.jpg

http://1.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Christina-7.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iuu5oDU-gHI/VSQsVhgOIPI/AAAAAAABaS4/o2JLCoDwS_s/s1600/Mervyn%2BO%E2%80%99Gorman%E2%80%99s%2BDaughter%2Bin%2B1913%2B%282%29.jpg

http://cdn.visualnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Christina-in-red-7.jpg




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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Friday 22 May 15 05:14 BST (UK)  »
She looks quite different here. :o
Surprising that the photo was taken in the same year as the other color photos.She looks older than she was when the portrait was taken but slightly younger than when the other color photos were taken.
Whenever the new photo was taken,the Christina being just a model picked off of the street theory I think can be crossed out.There must have been some connection between the two(Mervyn and Christina).

Given the portrait with her name on it,I personally believe "Christina" was indeed named Christina or at least her pet name was.There were some Christinas in the family tree as well.But if the cousin of Winifred indeed denies the connection,that she is not related to Christina,there would be no candidate from Mervyn family :-[

In the event of that,I would guess Christina was a daughter or niece of his friend out of some photograph club or something.

But what makes it difficult though,is that nothing is sure about literally everything.Photographer could have been anybody,Christina could have been Winifred,the photo could have been taken in 1910.

Ultimately,I want to ask the RPS how they got it and when and from whom.

Nevertheless it is amazing to see new photos of Christina we have never seen before after nearly a month of fruitlessness.Its quite motivation for us all.
Amazing work you do Kilkennylass :o





  edit:  I just noticed that this http://www.ssplprints.com/image/198361/ogorman-mervyn-portrait-of-christina-in-a-garden-c-1912 says this one was taken in 1912.Could be a typo though.
And they also say the portrait one was taken in 1913 which apparently cant be true.
Seems like we have to take these basic facts with a pinch of salt.
http://collectionsonline.nmsi.ac.uk/detail.php?type=related&kv=8448246&t=objects

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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Monday 11 May 15 07:38 BST (UK)  »
http://gw.geneanet.org/sanchiz?lang=en;p=michael+arthur;n=o+gorman

The only Christina of the family married James Tobin of Cumsinagh?

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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Sunday 10 May 15 12:44 BST (UK)  »
I gave up days ago actually but can you just check this out?

http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2015/04/30/100-year-old-colour-photos-on-the-beach/

What one of the comments says about Christina.He says she was not a relative not sure where he got that from though.He even names her husband and her child.


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Dorset / Re: Lulworth Cove, O'GORMAN photos?
« on: Thursday 07 May 15 04:07 BST (UK)  »
By the time Mervyn had died in 1958 Christina must have been around 60 herself,she might have died or migrated to somewhere and lost touch with him by then.In 45 years things change.And he had half sisters as well its quite possible for Christina to have different surname to Ogorman and still was his niece through his half sisters.Provided that she was not some model picked off of the streets by Mervyn of course.
Questions I would like to ask though,are that who got the hold of the pictures from Mervyn and When and how?Why do they even have a portrait of her with her name on it? ???

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