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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Monday 21 November 16 22:02 GMT (UK) »
The Jane Miller baptism is on familysearch and abode is given as Wideopen.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Monday 21 November 16 21:53 GMT (UK) »
Remember I did this about ten years ago but I have notes suggesting William and Ann were living at Wideopen but that needs checked as I don't have a copy of the original, I've always thought that was William and Ann Surtees. George Reavley and Helen Miller married at All Saints in 1840 but they were described as living at St. Anthony's.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Monday 21 November 16 20:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the post Kevin, I notice Camperdown Jane also has a son James born at Newcastle 1861/2 who can be seen in the 1871 census for Newcastle.
I'm not sure of the best way to proceed, trawling the 1841 census would be time consuming, I've tried numerous searches on findmypast to try to find a suitable second William.
Visiting TWAS to look at Tynemouth Workhouse records, will have to wait until I have a holiday because of their poor opening hours. Meanwhile if anything does turn up please let us know.
Regards
Rob Taylor
North Shields
I'm not sure of the best way to proceed, trawling the 1841 census would be time consuming, I've tried numerous searches on findmypast to try to find a suitable second William.
Visiting TWAS to look at Tynemouth Workhouse records, will have to wait until I have a holiday because of their poor opening hours. Meanwhile if anything does turn up please let us know.
Regards
Rob Taylor
North Shields
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Sunday 20 November 16 12:38 GMT (UK) »
Liz with dates
Stan Taylor .. me dad
Sarah Miller .. Grandmother 30/1/1904 at Stanley, Co. Durham
Allen Miller .. Great grandad 29/5/1865 at Washington, Co. Durham
Allen Miller .. Great great Grandad about 1834 Edinburgh
Helen/Ellen Miller GGG grandmother 11/3/1808 Edinburgh
Robert Millar the bookbinder.
Stan Taylor .. me dad
Sarah Miller .. Grandmother 30/1/1904 at Stanley, Co. Durham
Allen Miller .. Great grandad 29/5/1865 at Washington, Co. Durham
Allen Miller .. Great great Grandad about 1834 Edinburgh
Helen/Ellen Miller GGG grandmother 11/3/1808 Edinburgh
Robert Millar the bookbinder.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Sunday 20 November 16 12:11 GMT (UK) »
Just to muddy the waters a bit more here's some info. picked up yesterday concerning Jane Miller, Henry Miller and Thomas Bates.
23/12/1855 Jane Miller married Thomas Bates at Christchurch, Tynemouth, both are described as of this parish, and of full age. Jane is the daughter of William Miller profession is given as miner. Thomas is the son of Thomas Bates also a miner.
Thomas and Jane can be followed in different census living in the Cowpen/Bebside area of Blyth 1861 - 1911. Thomas was born at Kenton in Gosforth parish, Jane gives place of birth as Hartley, Earsdon parish. I can't find a baptism for Jane at Earsdon nor can I find a census entry in 1841 or 1851.
Henry Miller was born 7/6/1858 at Tynemouth workhouse and Baptised at Christchurch, Tynemouth 30/7/1858 Jane is described as a single woman. By 1861 she is again in Newcastle with Henry describing her birthplace as West Moor and in later census as Camperdown.
Is it just coincidence that Thomas Bates also lived in Camperdown also known as Hazelrigg. Camperdown is a two street hamlet in 1890. in 1841 there are about 420 people, most involved in the coal industry, probably working at Burradon pit.
So two Jane Millers - one the daughter of William a coalminer, born at Hartley married to Thomas Bates, one the daughter of William a labourer, with son Henry and soon to Marry Thomas McLaughlin, birthplace consistently given as West Moor or Camperdown.
I think Henry's mother is the daughter of William and Ann Surtees but until a positive link is found it will always be open to question.
23/12/1855 Jane Miller married Thomas Bates at Christchurch, Tynemouth, both are described as of this parish, and of full age. Jane is the daughter of William Miller profession is given as miner. Thomas is the son of Thomas Bates also a miner.
Thomas and Jane can be followed in different census living in the Cowpen/Bebside area of Blyth 1861 - 1911. Thomas was born at Kenton in Gosforth parish, Jane gives place of birth as Hartley, Earsdon parish. I can't find a baptism for Jane at Earsdon nor can I find a census entry in 1841 or 1851.
Henry Miller was born 7/6/1858 at Tynemouth workhouse and Baptised at Christchurch, Tynemouth 30/7/1858 Jane is described as a single woman. By 1861 she is again in Newcastle with Henry describing her birthplace as West Moor and in later census as Camperdown.
Is it just coincidence that Thomas Bates also lived in Camperdown also known as Hazelrigg. Camperdown is a two street hamlet in 1890. in 1841 there are about 420 people, most involved in the coal industry, probably working at Burradon pit.
So two Jane Millers - one the daughter of William a coalminer, born at Hartley married to Thomas Bates, one the daughter of William a labourer, with son Henry and soon to Marry Thomas McLaughlin, birthplace consistently given as West Moor or Camperdown.
I think Henry's mother is the daughter of William and Ann Surtees but until a positive link is found it will always be open to question.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Wednesday 16 November 16 23:17 GMT (UK) »Hello Kevin, here's some info on a Thomas Bates 1841 recorded at Hazelrigg with his family father Thomas, mother Mary age 45, son John age 15, Thomas age 10. 1851 Recorded at Seaton Delaval, Thomas age 20 born at Gosforth with family mother Mary a widow age 55, John 25 and others all born Gosforth.
Cowpen 1861 Thomas Bates married born 1831 Gosforth, wife Jane 25 born Earsdon. son Thomas born Earsdon age 4, son Joseph age 6mths born Horton.
Cowpen 1871 Thomas born Kenton, wife Jane born Hartley. Kenton was in Gosforth parish and Hartley is in Earsdon.
It seems this couple were together from 1861 to 71, I suspect there are two different Jane Millers Not sure how you can nail that down though. You could try baptism records at Earsdon to try to find Jane Miller.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Wednesday 16 November 16 22:37 GMT (UK) »
Hello Kevin, here's some info on a Thomas Bates 1841 recorded at Hazelrigg with his family father Thomas, mother Mary age 45, son John age 15, Thomas age 10. 1851 Recorded at Seaton Delaval, Thomas age 20 born at Gosforth with family mother Mary a widow age 55, John 25 and others all born Gosforth.
Cowpen 1861 Thomas Bates married born 1831 Gosforth, wife Jane 25 born Earsdon. son Thomas born Earsdon age 4, son Joseph age 6mths born Horton.
Cowpen 1871 Thomas born Kenton, wife Jane born Hartley. Kenton was in Gosforth parish and Hartley is in Earsdon.
It seems this couple were together from 1861 to 71, I suspect there are two different Ann Millers one the daughter of William a labourer and one the daughter of William the coalminer. Not sure how you can nail that down though. You could try baptism records at Earsdon to try to find Jane Miller.
Cowpen 1861 Thomas Bates married born 1831 Gosforth, wife Jane 25 born Earsdon. son Thomas born Earsdon age 4, son Joseph age 6mths born Horton.
Cowpen 1871 Thomas born Kenton, wife Jane born Hartley. Kenton was in Gosforth parish and Hartley is in Earsdon.
It seems this couple were together from 1861 to 71, I suspect there are two different Ann Millers one the daughter of William a labourer and one the daughter of William the coalminer. Not sure how you can nail that down though. You could try baptism records at Earsdon to try to find Jane Miller.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Wednesday 16 November 16 22:03 GMT (UK) »
Hello Kevin, that's an interesting tree, I think I'd like to see the paper trail once you receive the certificates. I notice there is a Thomas Bates at Hazelrigg 1841, and a Thomas Bates married Jane Miller 24/12/1855 at Christchurch, they posted a notice in the North and South Shields Gazette, so I wonder where Thomas went, there doesn't seem to be any children from the marriage. Have you seen Henry's baptism yet? there may be a clue in that or in Tynemouth workhouse records which was just up the road from Christchurch.
I am surprised William is described as a labourer, in my experience they have always been recorded as miners but there's always a first time -could be because she wasn't close to her family.
I am surprised William is described as a labourer, in my experience they have always been recorded as miners but there's always a first time -could be because she wasn't close to her family.
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Midlothian / Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« on: Tuesday 15 November 16 19:14 GMT (UK) »
Just so you know here's mine -
Stan Taylor .. me dad
Sarah Miller .. Grandmother
Allen Miller .. Great grandad
Allen Miller .. Great great Grandad
Helen/Ellen Miller GGG grandmother
Robert Millar the bookbinder.
Stan Taylor .. me dad
Sarah Miller .. Grandmother
Allen Miller .. Great grandad
Allen Miller .. Great great Grandad
Helen/Ellen Miller GGG grandmother
Robert Millar the bookbinder.