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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Friday 04 May 18 03:39 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your input. The more I think about it, I have to agree that it has to be Scotland the country and not the ward. I could see one or two census transcribed in error but there were 4 in a row that all said Scotland.

Also, in following Shaun's lead on the witnesses, I noticed that for the one witness Jean Clark, back then, Jean was almost exclusively a Scottish first name. There was one lead in Scotland that I was following that looked promising but bevo's post just threw a spanner in the works on that one because that definitely does look like that could be my family in 1846

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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Thursday 03 May 18 13:08 BST (UK)  »
Thanks. Let me take a look at that and see if it leads me anywhere. Appreciate your help

btw, dumb question but why does a "Register Office or Registrar Attended" imply Catholic

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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Thursday 03 May 18 11:55 BST (UK)  »
Thanks. It was my assumption that the enumerator went knocking on doors. But it doesn't detract from the fact that if they were illiterate, the 'someone else' had to interpret what they said and write it down.

Witnesses were Jean Clark and Mary Fittom (or Fitton). I did try tracing them and didn't get anywhere. I can upload a pdf of the marriage certificate for you to see if it is OK to do that

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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Thursday 03 May 18 11:40 BST (UK)  »
I don't believe so. I see in the Lancashire Records their first daughter Sarah Jane Metcalfe baptized in 1851 in Saint Peter's which was Anglican

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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Thursday 03 May 18 05:28 BST (UK)  »
No, she was definitely not literate at the time. I have the birth certificate of her daughter in 1864 and she signed with her mark.

From the 1850 marriage certificate, the father was Thomas Jones, a farmer. They (assuming she was living with her family at the time) were living at 62, Victoria St, Everton. None of the family were living at that address a year later. I have searched for her in the 1841 census and in parish baptisms. Too many Mary Jones in Liverpool. No matches in Scotland

Liverpool Scotland was recognized as a constituency in 1885 but it was definitely a Municipal Ward in 1861. Not sure about 1851 census as FindMyPast is down right now so I can't check

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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Thursday 03 May 18 04:10 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, all, for your opinions. It is possible that the census-taker made a mistake as he also transposed Robert and Thomas. Robert was the 3yo and Thomas was 1yo.

Is it possible that she told the census-taker that she was born in Scotland and he just assumed the country and transcribed it as such. I have searched through a lot of pages of censuses looking for anything that was transcribed as Scotland, Lancashire and hadn't found any. I assume that they didn't transcribe it as such. I was thinking more a simple error of interpretation like I suggest.

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The Common Room / Re: Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 02 May 18 17:59 BST (UK)  »
Sorry, yes, Jones is her maiden name. Her married name is Metcalfe (often spelt wrong in the censuses). For example in the 1861 census, Mary Melcalfe and son Thomas show as born in Scotland

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The Common Room / Scotland Ward, Liverpool
« on: Wednesday 02 May 18 17:29 BST (UK)  »
I have an ancestor, Mary Jones, born circa 1830. In censuses 1851 through 1881, she is living in Liverpool and her 'Where Born' is Scotland. Obviously, Jones was not such a common name in Scotland. Maybe it's just that the archiving of parish baptisms from around 1830 is not so good in Scotland but I can not find her birth there.

All of her time in Liverpool, she lived off Scotland Road in Scotland ward. Is it possible that on the censuses, Scotland really meant Scotland ward, Liverpool. In the 1861 census, 2 of her children are born in Liverpool and one is born in Scotland. In GRO, all 3 of her children were born in Liverpool. Strange that the census would list one child differently.

I know that there was a Liverpool Scotland constituency. Just wondering if the district was known as Scotland and that was what was intended in the censuses. Clutching at straws (obviously). Thanks

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Cheshire / Re: James Cooper Clarke-Martha Roberts
« on: Thursday 10 August 17 09:18 BST (UK)  »
No problem. Let me know if you do find anything on Mary. At this time, I am not going to spend much time on it because I was just trying to place James Cooper Clarke before he moved to Chester and I can do that with the first marriage and the other children.

Yes, James Cooper Clarke is my ggg grandfather. You mention his 3 youngest moving to Liverpool. Had you done any research on them. At this time, I am just interested in Thomas, my gg grandfather. I see him marrying Sarah Ann Youds in 1858 and having two children (Mary Jane in 1860 and James Cooper in 1862) but then I can't find them on the censuses in 1871, 81 or 91. I see deaths in Liverpool of a Sarah Ann Clarke and a Mary Jane Clarke in the 60's (haven't ordered the certificates yet). But I can't find Thomas or James Cooper. There is a James Clarke of the right age living in a boarding house in Liverpool in the 1881 census, but nothing to confirm this is the right one. Thomas dies in Liverpool in 1892 (I just ordered the certificate for that). By 1891, James Cooper Clarke (he is my great grandfather) is married with 2 children and moves to Sunderland somewhere between 1890 and 1892. But I can't find him on a 1891 census in either place. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks, Robbie

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