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Travelling People / Re: Naomi BRAZIL
« on: Monday 30 March 15 21:20 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: waynus james on Monday 30 March 15 20:41 BST (UK)
Hi Charlotte

Cracker Nut's father was Walter Brazil (sometimes known as Walter Barton) and her mother was Florence (Flo) Lee.  She was one of 6 children (that are known) - her brothers and sisters were Charlotte, Lovie, Jack, Nelson and Jimmy.  They came from the Sussex area and they lived in Devil's Dyke near Brighton.  This is all that I know about her - have never found any trace of Naomi Brazil on any of the census records.

Best wishes
Waynus
so from what you have told me there is no way of tracing back any further than Walter brazil and Flo? Such a shame, have you made a family tree? How hard has it been?
Thank you for all the information.
Best wishes charlotte

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Travelling People / Re: Naomi BRAZIL
« on: Monday 30 March 15 17:40 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: waynus james on Sunday 29 March 15 16:56 BST (UK)
hallo charlotte thanks for coming back to me . yes George might let you have a look and you can take a photo with  your phone . yes the mix up with your grandfathers name being hall is that old granny crackernuts was married twice she had my grandfather frank lee first and had 8 children with him and then she your grandfather davie hall and had your grandfather ben with him and put him in her name all so most of the children was in her name because of the war . omie brazils children were jimmy nelson jack storky daisy floie charlotte omie britty. as for your granny ada she was a lee but took the name breeze it was her mother who was the eastwood and her parents was john eastwood and ada not sure of her last name their children were johnny walter benny tommy billy that's my grandfather better known as old diddles George esther prissy polly hope this helps you a bit. good luck with George and the photos best wishes waynus
thank you, do you know who cracker nuts parents were?

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Travelling People / Re: Naomi BRAZIL
« on: Saturday 28 March 15 22:15 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: waynus james on Saturday 28 March 15 18:02 GMT (UK)
Sorry for the delay in coming back to you. 

The Naomi Brazil you speak of who is your granny is my father's cousin - we know her as Signal's Omie.   Her father Storky is my grandfather's brother (my grandfather is Jack Fairplay) and Storky's wife Ada's mother is also my grandfather's sister on the Eastwood side. The Naomi Brazil I am speaking about is Storky's mother and I have been told by Benny and Tilly's girls that your Granny Omie's brother George does have a photo of her - she was known as Cracker Nuts.  George is reluctant to let anyone look at these photos in case they get lost (don't blame him for this) but you never know, he may let you see these.  If so, and if you can get a copy, please let me have one (I will be eternally grateful).  p.s. if there is anymore information you would like regarding this side of the family, please let me know.

Best wishes

Waynus
thanks for getting back to me. Sounds about right, Uncle George and the photos!! When I see him next I will ask him about them, I see if he show me and let me take a picture with my fone. As I said before I know not very much, my father told me that grandfather storky was Hall. I don't understand how they got different last names. I knew granny Ada was Eastwood, Any information you have on them and there grandparents and siblings would be greatly received.
Thanks
Charlotte

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Travelling People / Re: Naomi BRAZIL
« on: Sunday 22 March 15 11:55 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: waynus james on Saturday 05 January 13 18:31 GMT (UK)
I am trying to find a newspaper article from the 1950s (presumably).  The subject is the removal of the gypsies from Belvedere Marsh following the flood in 1953.  My great great grannie, Naomi Brazil (known as Crackernuts) was interviewed at Ruxley Pit nr Sidcup because the families were not being allowed back on to the Marsh.  There was a picture of her leaning over a wagon door.  The article I believe was entitled Queen of the Gypsies.  Naomi was married to Frank Lee then to Davey Hall - her children were Jack Fairplay, Flo, Britty, Nelson, Storky, Charlotte, Naomi, Daisy, and Jimmy. I have been researching local papers but have not had any luck tracing this photo.  If anyone can remember this or what newspaper it was in or has a copy of the article or photo (or any photos of Naomi Brazil), please get in touch.
Can't help with you finding newspaper articles, but my granny was naomi Brazil before marriage, obviously not the same one!! But her father was Ben Brazil was known as storky!! He died around 23 year ago my granny died 2 years ago, I know nothing before my great grandparents.

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Travelling People / Re: Kent / Sussex Travellers
« on: Sunday 22 March 15 11:43 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: ukk9 on Saturday 23 June 07 19:27 BST (UK)
My maternal ancestors are all travellers moving between Kent & Sussex. The common Names are Kemp, Jones, Ripley, Stanford or Stamford with Brazil, Stonnel & Wilson thrown in for good measure. The names Jones & Kemp seem to be very much inter-twined.

I know that there was certainly an element of inbreeding (or line breeding as we call it in the dog world) within the family as my grandfather (Samuel Kemp/Ripley/Jones) and my grandmother (Sarah Ann Stamford/Jones) had a common half sister (Annie Ripley/Jones/Boswell).

As you can see, as a genealogy project, it’s a nightmare :-)

If anyone has any information that might enlighten me, I would love to hear from you.

regards

Steve (ukk9)
My granny was a Brazil before she married my grandfather, George bignall. Her parents were ada and Ben Brazil, travelled all round kent before stopping on a site in sittingbourne before they died about 25 year ago. I grew up on a site and know some of the names you have mentioned Jones Samuel. Would like to find my family right back but i don't know past my great grand parents, my grandfather George's family were from swanley dartford foots cray, still loads of cousins of his round that way till this day, but don't know no further that his parents that were Flo and George I think but not 100%

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Travelling People / Re: Kent gypsy
« on: Saturday 21 March 15 17:34 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Oojie on Saturday 21 March 15 17:27 GMT (UK)
Quote from: jademb on Friday 14 January 11 05:02 GMT (UK)
Trying to find out about my family history. Would really appreciate it if anyone knew of any websites that are more specifically for Kent gypsy genealogy.
Mainly looking for the name BIGNELL at the moment.
My grandfather George bignall, siggy, and my granny Omi, was originally a Brazil, from Kent, my grandfather came from swanly St Mary's cray dartford way he has got a sister lucky and brother Jimmy I believe but don't know much bout this side of the family, was told a while ago that they was originally lees, he died bout 20 yr ago. My granny died 2 year ago her mother and father was Ada and Ben Brazil....wanna find where they all come from!!
My granny's sister genty died last year there were 13 brothers all together only a couple left now, I grew up on church marshes site and travelled around for a bit, as some one said I spell my last name bignell but my father and grandfather were bignall! Don't know how or why that happened. Over the years we've lived around Willetts, lees, smiths....my granny knew all travellers from all over, could listen to her tales all day long, anyone knowing my granny or grandfathers side please get in touch

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Travelling People / Re: Kent gypsy
« on: Saturday 21 March 15 17:27 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: jademb on Friday 14 January 11 05:02 GMT (UK)
Trying to find out about my family history. Would really appreciate it if anyone knew of any websites that are more specifically for Kent gypsy genealogy.
Mainly looking for the name BIGNELL at the moment.
My grandfather George bignall, siggy, and my granny Omi, was originally a Brazil, from Kent, my grandfather came from swanly St Mary's cray dartford way he has got a sister lucky and brother Jimmy I believe but don't know much bout this side of the family, was told a while ago that they was originally lees, he died bout 20 yr ago. My granny died 2 year ago her mother and father was Ada and Ben Brazil....wanna find where they all come from!!

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