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Thank you everyone for your replies

I think Haywood you are correct - she has said she is a widow as she already has a son Wilfred John and consistently states he was born in Denton

So a birth of John Wilfrid McPartland mmn McPartland in Denton in 1889 fits with his age and parentage

On Winifred Annie marriage certificate her fathers name just reads deceased

thanks you so much for your help

Austin Dockery ends up in prison for fraud in 1920s in London. His wife Emily, I can't find her after the 1921 census but he appears to have married again 4 years later to an Ethel B Furness and they appear together on the 1939 register, their daughter is named Winifred born in 1925

  Hi

Her name seems to be recorded as Annie but mostly Winifred Annie Dockney

In 1911 her son is Wilfred John Dockney age 21 and a railway clerk and her other son Austin Henry Dockney aged 16 a warehouse clerk

1903 just Austin and Winifred are in the workhouse at Withington and she gives her birth year as 1862 and Roman Catholic


Mostly she puts born in Manchester but Im wondering if she came over from Ireland?
I can find the same three names on the electoral register for 1923 in Withington at Booth Avenue

The record for theophilus I am sad to say bears the same status as all the others  which is the awful 'Lunatic'.
I believe that because he was home with his parents until his mother died he may have been 'Downs syndrome' and was unable to care for himself.
Many Downs children were placed in these institutions, i worked in one in the 80s and many had been there for  30 years.

Hatton is now a housing estate.

That seems strange if he was the posters 3x great grandfather, I see nothing wrong with a person with downs syndrome having a family - but it'd have been usnusal wouldn't it?

Thank you so much for the response and answer to my query, it’s much appreciated

Given that the last of these people died 116 years ago, does anyone with more experience than me think it is possible that the 100 year rule applies and I might be able to see their records?

Although your ancestor died 116 years ago, their records will have been recorded in very large bound volumes - which may well span 30-40 years therefore the records may have to stay closed.

You could email the archive and give the name and date and enquire if you were to visit if you would be able to view the volume. Alternatively you could enquire how much it would cost to have the pages photographed and sent to you.

The site of the asylum is now a housing estate but the mane house is still standing.

Good luck with your search.