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Worcestershire / Re: Assistance with pronunciation, please
« on: Wednesday 02 June 21 04:16 BST (UK)  »
Thanks again, Kay. Thanks brigidmac - love the  Brummie take on the name. As place names follow no rules of grammar, they are, as you say, fluid with local dialects and speech patterns. I love to learn.
Have enjoyed our sharing. Very best to both ... John

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Worcestershire / Re: Assistance with pronunciation, please
« on: Tuesday 01 June 21 06:46 BST (UK)  »
My thanks for this, Kay. The pronunciation of place names often contains traps for the unwary. Thankfully, these two are straight forward.
Here is one from Australia - Goonoo Goonoo - looks easy? For some obscure reason, steeped somewhere in the past. it is pronounced "Gunna Goonoo".
All the best ... John.

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Worcestershire / Assistance with pronunciation, please
« on: Tuesday 01 June 21 04:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi RootsChat, from Australia

I haven't posted for a while and this may be a little different from our usual chat.

I am preparing a bit of narrative to accompany a few minutes of video focussing upon our Amphlett ancestors life prior to them arriving at Minsterworth - strictly for in-family use.

The locations, Broadwas and Redmarley D'Abitot (then in Worcestershire) are featured, however, I am at a loss to source their correct pronunciation.

Can someone help, please? Not with phonetic symbols, preferably, but more along the lines of "wass, not wozz" and "abit-tott" not "a-bi-too", (for instance), if that makes sense...

Thank you for any assistance. All the best ... John.

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Cumberland / Re: John (old Jock) Lamb
« on: Wednesday 09 December 20 01:00 GMT (UK)  »
To all of you  - Annie, David, Biggles50 and Maiden Stone - thank you so much for your combined information and advice.

As yet, I have been unable to discover Banns or details relating to the marriage of John and Hannah's son, George, (my 3xGG) to Jane Waite, in I suspect, Penrith, in around the mid 1840s, which could throw light on his, by then, deceased parents.

The Hannah/Hanna/Anna Proud is a lead I will certainly investigate further, as is Military service. The death notice quoted has been a strong element in my past research - thank you for confirming  this. Likewise confirmation of Census rounding up/down.

I have wondered about the 1806 birth of Mary/Mary-Ann Lamb to John and Hannah, as their son, George, and wife, Jane, named their children in exactly the same order: Mary-Ann; Robert; John; George and William.  This George became my 2xGG and those very same names still figure strongly in my Mum's family.

It is also great to be joined on this search by a couple of members of the Lamb family. Love the signature photo.

Thanks to all ... best wishes ... John

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Cumberland / Re: JOHN (OLD JOCK) LAMB
« on: Tuesday 08 December 20 01:03 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Annie - I was just responding to your earlier post when this came through. Yes, perhaps Scots. I went down this path a few years ago to no avail as  LAMB is such a common name in the north. Also, pre 1841 family census information is scant.

The !802 marriage year fits the time frame as Old Jock appears to have been born around 1780-ish. However, as Robert was born in 1813, in Westmorland, and John (1819) and George (1822), in Cumberland, there appears to be quite a gap. I have reconciled the difference in George's apparent year of birth (1825) in the 1841 census, with his more widely recorded date (1822/23) with other information and am pretty certain that John (Old Jock) is both Hannah's widower and the father of George and his brothers. Perhaps there were other children.

My research has shown this (my) LAMB family group as being dirt-poor, itinerant labourers, basket weavers and chimney sweeps who lived in tents and back streets in the vicinity of the Cumberland/Westmorland border. George was able to migrate to Australia in 1864 through the sponsorship of his brothers, Robert and John, who, by that time had achieved their tickets of leave.

Thank you so much for your interest and support. Best wishes ... John

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Cumberland / John (old Jock) Lamb
« on: Monday 07 December 20 23:58 GMT (UK)  »
Hi RootsChat Cumberland, from Australia

I set aside research into my 4xGG, JOHN LAMB, several years ago as I could discover no more - nothing seemed to yield anything significant. His son, GEORGE, migrated to Australia with his family in 1864 and died, tragically, at Dubbo, in 1868. George's brothers, Robert and John, arrived in Australia well before him, both transported. Our family knowledge of our LAMB history is quite strong from George forward. The story of those who came before George is frustratingly unclear.

Back to JOHN LAMB, or OLD JOCK, as he is referred to in the Coroner's report into his death in 1844. The 1841 Census sees him in Penrith, a Sweep, with George, a Sweep (whose age is noted but I am quite certain this is "our George"). Under the same roof is Mary Sowerby. John Lamb is about 60 and is recorded as being born "out of county"). That has been a bit of a stumbling block.

George was the son of JOHN LAMB and HANNAH (no surname). Hannah died in 1828, around the same time as her infant son, William. This is where I am lost. I can find no record of their marriage, which may, or may not, have taken place in Cumberland or Westmorland - if at all. Hannah is not Hannah Jackson, m. John Lamb at Muncaster around 1815.

The Coroner's report states that Mary Sowerby " ... sixteen years ago ... unaccountably became enamoured with Old Lamb, the Sweep, ... and became his mistress...". This may be coincidence but it meshes pretty well with the year of Hannah's death.

Does anyone have any clues or hints regarding my 4 x GG, John Lamb, or Hannah, or even Mary Sowerby prior and post John, please?  Both Ancestry and FindMyPast are offering hints on these names but none are strong enough to offer factual evidence. I have also seen a couple of Public Family Trees that offer lineage but they do not appear to have been (in my opinion) fully researched.

Thank you for reading the background to my request. I am open to being corrected as my search, to date, has long been fruitless.

All the best ... John.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: St Catherine Street, Gloucester.
« on: Sunday 17 May 20 06:51 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. Ruskie, for your detailed and most rewarding responses and your generous links.
Looking at the (now pedestrian) underpass from Deans Walk in the direction of Gouda St, everything you suggest fits perfectly. I will now enjoy looking into exactly when these houses were demolished to accommodate the creation of Gouda Way as part of the "A" road.
I will also pursue the fate of the Vinegar, Jam and Pickle factory at the Skinner St end of St Catherine St, as both of my Great Grandparents were employed there for a good many years.
I am extremely grateful to you, and to Mckha489, for investing your time in providing me with my long sought after solution.
Best wishes ... John

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / Re: St Catherine Street, Gloucester.
« on: Saturday 16 May 20 05:15 BST (UK)  »
Thanks, Mckha489, for your thought and for your link to the 1903 map. Yes, this is something I had wondered myself - did St Catherine St loop under the railway line? Your suggestion lends strength to this. If so, I wonder if the block of buildings to the SW of the railway line contained number 77?
Also, if our conjecture is correct, what became of these buildings? When?
Food for thought - another option to pursue. Again, thank you.

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Gloucestershire Lookup Requests / St Catherine Street, Gloucester.
« on: Saturday 16 May 20 01:17 BST (UK)  »
Hi, Roots Chat, from Australia
It has been several years since I last entered this Forum and I thank members for your wealth of information.
My question, this time, is to do with an attempt to pinpoint the exact location of my Great Grandfather's family home at 77 St Catherine St, Gloucester, during the late C19 and early C20.
House number 77 does not appear on modern maps. The NW, or Deans Walk, end of St Catherine St appears to now end at number 67 or 69.
I understand that this is most likely as a result of either re-numbering, or demolition and re-development, but would love to know exactly where number 77 was located.
I have compared Census Enumerator's Walks with the Hereditment numbers within the 1909 Lloyd George survey (in which number 77 is not mentioned) and feel that it must have been somewhere in the vicinity of what is now numbers 65 to 69.
I am wondering if someone with local knowledge may have the answer, please?
Thank you very much ... cheers to all ... John.

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