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An index entry for Torleif's marriage application from marriage #2- https://clerks.washoecounty.us:8443/clerk/eagleweb/viewDoc.jsp?node=DOCC0185121-0

And his 2nd wife's remarriage - https://clerks.washoecounty.us:8443/clerk/eagleweb/viewDoc.jsp?node=DOCC0258901-0

Indeed 'shellyesq', you have done some prodigious investigating and it is beyond interesting and I am beyond thankful for all your help. These discoveries put all of us the remaining family much at ease; somehow it is comforting to know where your Mystery grandfather and mystery great-grandmother went with their personal history. Thank you very much!!

Quote from: jamcat95 on Tuesday 10 March 15 21:27 GMT (UK)

On Ancestry there is a passport application in 1917 of a Karl Torleif Christofferson born 21 June 1902. His father is written as Thorwald. Karl Torleif was born in Oslo. There is also a photo of him. I wonder if this is him.
The birth date is the same.


Ian

Hi Ian, If you use Dropbox we can easily exchange files like that. Otherwise, I don't know how I'll ever see the picture. My mother would be extremely interested in seeing her father's picture (granted, from a younger day) after 75 years! Any ideas how I can see this beyond subscribing to Ancestry?

Looking into it a bit further, Thorwald seems like a pretty Swedish name:
http://www.nordicnames.de/wiki/Thorwald
Thorwald
Male Male Name

Usage
Sweden Swedish
Origin and Meaning
Creative spelling of Torvald [1]

Related Names
See Ţórvaldr

Statistics
Name Count per Country

Earlier today:
Hi Ian, thanks for looking. Looks like you hit the jackpot there because that's the right birthday, according to his wife's later Petition for Naturalization(1942). Since the information from the census of 1920 also indicates he was born in 1902 and further indicates that he entered the country in 1917, I'd say — another match. Thank you again and again; I can't get on Ancestry without a membership as I used my free opportunity about a year ago. It's wonderful how people here cooperate and assist. just wonderful.  Phil

The New York City marriage index has a marriage for Agnes Gallagher & Torleif Christopherson on 5 Jul. 1930 in Manhattan.  You can check this index (and others) for free at www.italiangen.org.  The marriage certificate should have his parents' names listed, but you might need to either purchase it or look it up on microfilm at a Family History Center.

Hi shelleyesq and thank you for that piece of information— Great news! I'm saving the Italiangen.org to my favorites. That is my grandmother and grandfather there I'm sure because that's the date they gave as their marriage date on other official documents that I have seen. You're right, the marriage certificate should have his parents' names listed. Thank you so much again! that should hopefully tell me if he was a Norwegian blood or if his father was equally+- as Swedish as his mother.
Phil

Philos,
Did your grandfather live in Wisconsin at all? There is a Thorleif Christoffersson in Wisconsin in the 1940 census, but with a birth year of 1894.
There is also a Torleif Kristoffersson died in 1908 in Hennepin, Minnesota, aged 18.

Thank you pinefamily! I had a hard time finding this thread again, sorry. The answer to your question is no, not as far as I am aware, NO connection to Wisconsin at all. Also this guy – my grandfather – married my grandmother around 1930, and my mother was born to them in 1933

The rest of this post is in answer to Ian, who suggested that I uploaded some of our private messaging to the thread for better results– — —


Ian said:
To find more info I must have more info. I didn't understand your PM.

Who is Agnes Gallagher?
How do you know it is her in 1940 with name Bergquist?
Do you know she had the name Bergquist?
How do you know it is Torleif in 1920?
Are you guessing about this Addaire Johnson on the passenger list? According to the list she was visiting her cousin in New York.

Have you got a copy of the Naturalisation Cert. I would like to see it.

To find people through the censuses is very tricky. There are many people that have the same names and dates. I need a lot of info to dig deeper. It is very easy to get caught up with the wrong people chasing dead ends.

I suggest you putting the info in your thread so other people can look at it too.

Ian


Phil answered:
Thank you in, you are right I should put the info into the thread. I'm always looking for a reply button and never seeing it lol. Let me see if I can answer the questions

1) Agnes Gallagher was my mother's mother. She came from County Leitrim, Ireland to New York in 1921 according to her petition for naturalization in 1942. Meanwhile she had married Torleif Christopherson on <looks like> July 5, 1930. It appears from this document that she was taking advantage of the opportunity to change her name officially, in the very same act of Naturalization, to Agnes Christophesen. On the document Line 1 shows this change and prior names but it is a little blurry. Nevertheless she did sign at the bottom very legibly Agnes Christophesen. I'll try to attach a copy of her Petition for Naturalization.

2) Eugenia Johnson was my mother's father's mother. She is the one who later became Eugenia Bergquist. That must have happened in between the 1920 census and the census of 1940. I myself saw the 1940 census document but I did not make a copy of that. I DO have a .jpg file copy of the 1920 census showing her as a single woman with <disbelief> Thorlief Christofferson as her nephew.
My mother is still alive and she has told me repeatedly that Eugenia was born in Sweden and also was the mother of her father, not his aunt as was written up in the 1920 local census. The story was that he came over much later, in 1917 if the 1920 census record is correct, having jumped ship, so there may not beyond a record of him coming through Ellis Island at all.

If you use Dropbox you should be able to follow this link and find Agnes Christopherson's Petition for Naturalization:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g50pww4odobku1r/NewYorkNaturalizationRecords1882-1944ForAgnesChristophesen.jpg?dl=0 night did have good data

Here is the dropbox links to the 1920 census taken in Minneapolis city, Hennepin County, Minnesota:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qt6rcv5fynbzo54/census1920_Euginia%20Johnson.jpg?dl=0

Thank you for being such a help!
Phil

Do you have a birthdate and place of birth for Eugenia? And where was your grandfather born? If he was born in the US, where were his parents married?
If you check other census records, you might find a place of birth for Eugenia. If she married in the US, a marriage record could show a father's name. A shipping record could show her place of origin as well.
Once you have a birthplace, it is possible to find her in the Swedish records.

Thank you Pinefamily, I only know that she told the 1920 census taker in Hennepin county, Minnesota that she came over to USA in 1904 and that in 1920 she was 39 years old – hence she was born supposedly in 1881. My grandfather Thorlief was born in Oslo Norway, supposedly in 1902, emigrated to the USA in 1917 according to statements given to the census taker. I found the little information that I have about him and his mother while on a free trial with ancestry.com... there are so many ancestries sites offering this that and the other and every one of them is expensive. You think I could find out about her and maybe him too anywhere that DOESN'T require a subscription?