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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: ROBERTS / GRIFFITHS marriage circa 1860's 1870's
« on: Thursday 30 August 12 08:27 BST (UK)  »
Quote from: wrjones on Wednesday 29 August 12 15:50 BST (UK)
All things being equal,this is the only Elizabeth Griffiths born in Llanelidan I can find.She is living in what is given then as Trefor Uchaf Merionethshire with parents John and Jane in 1851.
HO107/2509/434/11.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

I appreciate the reference. I suspect this is how the other researcher presumed the parentage of Elizabeth. I will have to check the deaths to see if the other Elizabeth (I did find two) died between 1840 and 1851. I know the the BMD indexes don't give the age at this point so it will be some slow digging for me.

Best wishes


Kerry

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: ROBERTS / GRIFFITHS marriage circa 1860's 1870's
« on: Thursday 30 August 12 08:20 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the reminder Suz.

Can't find a previous marriage at the moment. But I will keep trying.

If I find the marriage then I'll get the father's name which hopefully will then I will start being able to put the correct jigsaw pieces into place.

Kerry

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: ROBERTS / GRIFFITHS marriage circa 1860's 1870's
« on: Wednesday 29 August 12 16:33 BST (UK)  »
Thanks Suz,

I haven't looked at poss previous marriages yet. It is possible, but I would presume she would get remarried under her maiden name.

Many thanks

Kerry

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: ROBERTS / GRIFFITHS marriage circa 1860's 1870's
« on: Wednesday 29 August 12 16:07 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that.

I will have to keep digging.

Regards

Kerry

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / Re: ROBERTS / GRIFFITHS marriage circa 1860's 1870's
« on: Wednesday 29 August 12 15:22 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all for your help so far.
I have a copy of Charles's birth cert. It reads as 27 April 1843 in Hope District, Wrexham to John ROBERTS & Ann ROBERTS.
On the 1851 census they are living in Gresford Lane, Gresford Denbighshire.

I have a marriage of a Charles ROBERTS marrying in Birmingham district in 1906. This Charles is the son of the Charles Roberts I am checking.

The 1891 census shows a Charles ROBERTS (senior) with wife Elizabeth in Ladywood Birmingam with a son Charles of the correct age. By 1901 Charles had died leaving Elizabeth a widow.

The 1891 census shows Charles as from Gresford and Elizabeth shows her as Llan something. In the 1901 census shows her as Denbighshire.The writing is difficult but we think it is Llanelidan. This is where we get the approx birth year of 1841.

Another researcher states that Elizabeth is Elizabeth GRIFFITHS but I cannot find a marriage between these two in Birmingham or Denbighshire. I have an eldest child, Mary, born around 1871 so I have looked for marriages from 1856 to 1872 in Denbighshire and Birmingham. I have searched where an Elizabeth is shown to have married at the same time as a Charles ROBERTS.
I only found (all marked as Wrexham)  Elizabeth BATE Q Mar 1866, Elizabeth Jane HUGHES Q Mar 1872 Wrexham & Elizabeth ROGERS Q June 1872. No exact matches here.

When I am given other searches I tend to presume it is correct then I seek to verify or disprove.

In the Ruthin births there are two Elizabeth GRIFFITHS that could match the time period, one born Q Sep 1840 and one born Q Dec 1841.

Presuming the marriage is in the same district there is one Eliz GRIFFITHS shown marrying in Ruthin in Q Jun 1858 poss. husbands being Thomas HUGHES & Ishmael ROBERTS

In the Q Jun 1862 there is an ELizabeth & John ROBERTS listed but John is shown as Ruthin and Elizabeth as Wrexham

In Q Dec 1865 Elizabeth is shown with Richard ROBERTS at Conway

After that we are in 1873 and beyond.

I do have a copy of the baptism record of an Elizabeth to John & Jane Griffith on 24 Dec 1841 in Llanelidan, which would fit.
I just cannot find the link between this Elizabeth GRIFFITHS and Charles ROBERTS.

Just looking and hoping for a breakthrough really.

Regards

Kerry

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Denbighshire Lookup Requests / ROBERTS / GRIFFITHS marriage circa 1860's 1870's
« on: Wednesday 29 August 12 12:01 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to confirm the marriage of
Charles ROBERTS b 1843 Gresford to Elizabeth GRIFFITHS b 1841 Llanelidan.

The earliest known child is Mary b abt 1871 so marriage is likely 1860's to 1871.

I am trying to confirm the parent's names of Elizabeth.

BMD have two Elizabeth's born in 1840 & 1841 and I would like to identify which was married to Charles.

Many thanks

Kerry

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: George Bradley/Bradly b abt 1830 Newbury Berkshire England
« on: Friday 02 April 10 12:03 BST (UK)  »
Thanks for the info.

Kerry

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / Re: George Bradley/Bradly b abt 1830 Newbury Berkshire England
« on: Friday 02 April 10 07:42 BST (UK)  »
Thank you both for your replies.
I will try and get access to the film through my local library.

The main public tree on ancestry is probably from my public work. I did try and get it removed because there are a number of inaccuracies in it but they wouldn't take it off. This is why I won't subscribe. If they won't take mine off with inaccuracies how many more are there.

A lot of the work was done by a cousin, without the use of computers over many years and I thought complete. Access to census details is opening a few more doors and resulting in new questions. Ever it was.

I am trying to see if the 1841 census details help us identify more closely who George was.

Yes he was a bit of a character. He told his wife that he was taking his son George down to Southampton to see the ships (from Birmingham) and then sailed to Australia with his mistress and daughter. He gained free passage on the boat by booking his mistress in his real wife's name and for her daughter they used one of his real daughter's name. He came back 10 years later. Much to his annoyance his estranged wife arranged a marriage for his son. He lived off the back of his son's earnings and reputedly, when back in Birmingham, was the first to own a motorbike. Not sure if that is true but that is the family story.

Thanks again. We are just stuck with his birth.

Kerry

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Berkshire Lookup Requests / George Bradley/Bradly b abt 1830 Newbury Berkshire England
« on: Thursday 01 April 10 22:57 BST (UK)  »
I am trying to track the birth of George BRADLEY/BRADLY in Newbury Berkshire circa 1830.

Mother and Father unknown. Father maybe Taplin/Joplin. Mother believed to have been in service and was made pregnant there. Believed not to have been married.

I may have just found him in the 1841 census
1841 Census
Name Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRADLY, Mary F 60 1781 Berkshire
BRADLY, Richard M 30 1811 Berkshire
BRADLY, Rachell F 20 1821 Berkshire
BRADLY, George M 9 1832 Berkshire
RG number: HO107 Piece: 33 Book/Folio: 3/17 Page: 28
Registration District: Newbury Union Sub District: Newbury EnumerationDistrict: Ecclesiastical Parish: Civil Parish: Newbury Municipal Borough: Newbury Address: Bartholomew Street, Newbury County: Berkshire

I am trying to find anyone who has/is researching the name in this area, or if anyone has access to the parish records to see if I am on the right track. I believe there is a St Nicholas Church on the road mentioned in the 1841 census but I don't know when it was built or if appropriate for George.

If the parish records are available they may show the birth details for George. :)

Many thanks

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