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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Wednesday 18 May 16 13:46 BST (UK)  »
Hi easternhammer, those are the 5 will copies that I have and I agree with your impressions of the kind of people that they were and what was important to them, Aunt Philadelphia leaves her mother, Mary Boys childbed linen to her niece Philadelphia, as well as a ring with her sister Jane's hair, Jane Simons died on the 21st of February 1724, her brother William and his wife Elizabeth had a son born after Boys in 1723, Edward was born in 1724, he died aged 2 years in 1726 and was buried with his Aunt Jane, William and Elizabeth then had another son in 1727 and gave him the name Edward.
Philadelphia's nephew Boys gets a few bits and pieces in the will as well as a picture of her mother, Mary Boys, that picture is later handed on to Mary Simons by her mother Hester, I would love to see it, I wonder who ended up with it.
With regard to the Sharp family I found a will of a John Sharpe of Northiam in the County of Sussex,
1683, Probate 1687, he has sons John and Thomas, as well as land in Northiam he has property in Sandhurst, I thought that he may be the ancestor of our Sharpe's.
 My 4th Great grandmother Priscilla Elizabeth Sharp was born in Sandhurst in 1768, she married John Hopgood born Staplehurst, B 1764, in All Saints, Maidstone, on the 2nd of February 1784, she was 16 and he was 20, that's very young, I have to wonder about that one, they had 11 children, John Hopgood, Marden, 1785, Thomas Hopgood, Staplehurst, 1788, Priscilla Hopgood, Boughton Monchelsea, 1791, Philadelphia Simmons Hopgood, Marden, 1794, Robert Hopgood, Boughton, Monchelsea, 1796, Samuel Hopgood, Boughton, Monchelsea, 1798, Mary Anne Hopgood, Boughton, Monchelsea, 1800, Boyce Simmons Hopgood, Boughton, 1806. Elizabeth Etherington Hopgood, Boughton, 1806, died 7 months, Sarah Etherington Hopgood, Boughton, 1808, died in Plumstead 1809 at 19 months, Caroline Hopgood, Woolwich, 1814.
Priscilla Elizabeth Hopgood ne Sharpe died in 1840 and was buried St Nicholas, Deptford, her son Samuel, B 1798 emigrated to Victoria in 1849 with his second wife and their daughter, his older son Samuel, born to his first wife, along his family joined him in 1854, they had a Dairy Farm at Duck Pond near Lara outside Geelong, Victoria.
Priscilla Elizabeth's daughter Priscilla Hopgood was my 4x Great grandmother, she married Charles Jenner, their oldest son Charles Jenner, 1812, sailed for Sydney Australia with his wife and children aboard the Java in November 1852 arriving in Sydney in April 1853, this journey was horrific, many died, about 40, mainly children, there is a diary online for this voyage,
Priscilla's youngest daughter Eliza Jenner married William Jones, their son Major Jones was my Great grandfather, he came out to Victoria in 1875, he went to live and work on his mothers Hopgood relatives Dairy Farm at Duck Pond, he later became a Butcher and raised a large family in Warracknabeal.
I am very interested in your families history also, your family are a fairly new arrivals to Australia, there are now many of us descendants of my Great Grandfather Major Jones living in Australia and New Zealand.
The next item I want to send for from the Marden History Group, is a 1732 Marriage Settlement of Edward Simons, I think that would be very informative, that would involve his marriage to Hester Chilman I would say.

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Friday 13 May 16 13:35 BST (UK)  »
Hi easterHammer, I got my transcribed copy of Edward Simons 1740 will from the Marden History Group, my copy states unto my Nephew Boyse Simons and the heirs of his body and so on forever.
The will says if Edward had no male heir Edward's wife Hester would have the estate for the rest of her life then her daughters and any issue they may have, for want of such issue the estate would go to my nephew Boyse Simons.
Edward leaves large sums of money to his Chilman relatives and twelve pounds to his sister Philadelphia for mourning clothes, there is no mention of his brother William that I can see, which is strange.
I have received five Simons wills from the history group, in Edward Simons spinster sister Philadelphia's will dated 1742, she leaves two farms to her brother William for his natural life then they would go to his daughter, Philadelphia and her heirs forever, if she died before inheriting it would go to William's son Edward, if he died before inheriting it would go to William's son Boys, Philadelphia's niece and nephews, it's an interesting one to read.
Did you get your copy of Edwards will from the Marden History Group, they have been very helpful in sending me the wills via email and putting together a CD of the Memorials and inscriptions and sending it by post to Australia.
I am very interested in your being a descendant of Priscilla's older sister Philadelphia, I know a bit about her, who she married and where, I believe she also ended up living in Plumstead, Kent, Priscilla married a John Hopgood and a large family, she also used the names Philadelphia Simons and Boys Simons for two of her children, Priscilla was my Great Grandfathers Great Grandmother, he emigrated to Victoria, Australia in 1875 from Plumstead when he was 17 years old and went on to have a large family, 14 children. 

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Sunday 01 May 16 03:15 BST (UK)  »
My condolences Maggie on the death in your family, it seems that we are probably 1st cousins many times removed, I am an Australian descendant of Boys sister Philadelphia, born about 1729 and her husband Thomas Sharp, through their daughter Priscilla Elizabeth Sharp, b 1768, Philadelphia was my 5th Great Grandmother.
It seems that the descendants of Philadelphia Simons also had been told stories of a Great Grandmother Lady Elizabeth and were aware of their Royal Heritage, although it seems the stories changed over time.
Some of Philadelphia's descendants emigrated to Australia in the 1850's and later,  some went to NSW and some to Victoria, the Victorian lot were Dairy Farmers.
I have had a ball researching our Royal ancestors, because of their strategic marriages we actually descend from 3 of King Edward the 3rd's sons, as well as Lionel of Antwerp, we also descend from John of Gaunt and Thomas of Woodstock, many of our ancestors were executed or died in battle.

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Friday 29 April 16 07:09 BST (UK)  »
The Boys Simons mentioned in Edward Simons will was his nephew Boys, son of Edward's brother William and his wife Elizabeth.
The nephew Boys was to be Edward's heir if he had no sons, Edward's wife Hester gave birth to another girl, Mary, after the death of her husband, so there was no male heir for Edward.
The nephew Boys did marry his uncle's widow in 1743, probably so that he could protect and access his inheritance.
Boys was 20 years old and Hester was about 35, I have proof of this marriage in the form of Boys, Hester and their daughter Philadelphia's memorials in the Marden Church, there are 3 identical memorials with the Simons Family crest on the top, one is for Boys and Hester's daughter Philadelphia, it say's, In Memory of Philadelphia Simons daughter of Boys and Hester Simons of this parish, who departed this life January 26th 1759 aged 14 years
There is one for Boys, it reads, In Memory of Boys Simons Gent, late of this parish, he died October 24 1772, aged 49 years,  Left issue one son and two daughters, Boys, Elizabeth and Jane.
And the third one is for Hester Simons ne Chilman, hers reads, In memory of Hester wife of Boys Simons, Gent, who died September 10 1783, aged 75 years,  left issue, Boys, Hester, Mary, Elizabeth and Jane.  Philadelphia had died so she wasn't mentioned, only the children living at the time of the parents deaths. Boys is mentioned first he because he was the heir.
I sent for photo's of the memorials and inscriptions from the Marden Historical Society and they sent me a CD of the photo's and inscriptions, they have been a big help with my research into my Simons ancestors, the photo's of Boys, Hester and their daughter Philadelphia's wall memorials are beautiful, Boys had become the senior Simons, so he was entitled to use the Simons Family Crest, the extended Simons family are buried under the floor of the church, there were some photo's of the grave plaques included, they are well worth sending for if you get the chance.

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Kent / Re: Death by drowning 1874. Any advice appreciated
« on: Tuesday 10 February 15 11:06 GMT (UK)  »
Lovely idea but I don't think that's them.

Boys' mother was Hester Mary Simmons (her burial is in the St Michael list). Her baptism was on 17 December 1784 at Chatham in Kent
Her father was Boys Simmons, baptised in Marden on Christmas Day 1747 (her mother was Martha Barton)
Boys Simmon's father was also Boys Simmons, baptised 28 March 1734 (typo, that should read 1723) in Southwark - which is where we move back from Kent.  His mother was Hester, surname unknown
The earlier Boys Simmon's father was William Simmons, but from there we are getting into conjecture.   He stands out like a sore thumb (in my family anyway!) as on Boys' baptism records he is a 'gentleman' - and in my tree we don't get many of them to the pound!   
There is a baptism that could be William's in Shoreditch on 14 August 1692, and if it is 'my' William Simmons then  his parents were William Simmons and Elizabeth. 
If that is him, then you have 2 generations of Williams suddenly followed by 2 generations of Boys, which is what leads me to wonder if Elizabeth was Elizabeth Boys?   So far I've not managed to get any further in this, but brick walls in 1692 are always easier to live with thnat brick walls in the 1820s which is where some of my other lines stop.
The one thing I do know for sure is that the Simmons line, where the Boys name originates, moves out of Kent and goes back to London in the earlier half of the 1700s.

p.s.
actually on second thoughts that doesn't preclude the 1717 Staplehurst marriage - the fact they have one son baptised in 1718 in Kent doesn't stop them having a second baptised 6 years later in Southwark - oh lord don't these things get complicated!  Thanks for the lead, I will follow it up

I have been researching the Marden Simons for a number of years and I have recently found out where the Boys Simons name came from, it comes from the grandmother of Boys Simons Born 1723,
Mary Boys, she married William Simons, 1655, the son and heir of Edward Simons, 1626-1676, Gentleman of Marden and his wife Ann Maplisden also of Marden, Edward and Ann married in St Mary Magdalene, Old Fish street, London, 28/10/1647.
William Simons, B 1655, married Mary Boys the daughter of Samuel Boys of Hawkhurst, Kent and Philadelphia Parker, daughter of Sir Thomas Parker and Philadelphia Lennard, the daughter of Sir Henry Lennard, Lord Dacre of the South and Chysigona Baker.  at the Parish Church of Hawkhurst, Kent, on the 10th of January 1687,  they had 4 children, Philadelphia Simons, 1689,  Jane Simons, 1695, Edward Simons, 1696 and William Simons, 1703, all born in Marden, Kent.
Philadelphia never married, Jane died at 22, Edward married Hester Chilman, he died in 1740 when Hester was pregnant with their second child, Mary Simons B 1740,  the widow Hester Simons nee Chilman then married Edward's nephew Boys Simons, B 1723 son of William Simons B 1703 and Elizabeth unknown, in 1743 and had the 4 children with him.
I found the marriage of William Simons B 1655, of Marden, Kent, to Mary Boys in the "Platagenet Roll, The Blood Royal" Mary Boys descends from King Edward the third, through his second son Lionel of Antwerp and Lionel's granddaughter Lady Elizabeth Percy nee Mortimer. through the Lennard line.
She also descends from the the Spencer's through the third wife of Sir Nicholas Parker, Catherine Temple, whose mother was Susan Spencer, Susan Spencer and John Temple were the 11th great grandparents of Lady Diana Spencer, there are many titled people in Mary's family lines which make it easier to search.
I have the wills for Edward Simons, Gent, D 1676, his granddaughter Philadelphia Simons, Spinster, D 1742, grandson Edward Simons, D 1740, the daughter and son of Mary Boys, also Hester Simons nee Chilman, D 1783, the wife of both Edward Simons D 1740 and his nephew Boys Simons, these are obtainable from the Marden Historical society and have been a great help with my research in tying these people together
The marriage of William Simons 1655, and Mary Boys can be found at Familysearch, Hawkhurst,Kent, 10 January 1687

Google : The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal The Mortimer-Percy Volume,     Descendants of Philadelphia Parker married at Willingdon 1 February 1649, Samuel Boys of Hawkhurst, 1a to 7a, on page 518,  they had 1 son and 6 daughters, Mary Boys is 5a, on page 520.
There are heaps of trees, tombs and paintings online for Mary's ancestors.


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