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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Dale/Chell Assistance
« on: Wednesday 28 September 16 09:57 BST (UK)  »
I am wanting your opinion if you don't mind. I have been tracking Florence's parents and siblings through the census.

I noticed that 'ciderdrinker' identified Robert Dale, the father, as deceased in 1891.

On the 1891 census, he certainly isn't listed and Sarah identifies herself as married.

IN the 1901 Census, she is living with her son-in-law and identifies herself as married but Robert is not listed.

I have found a Robert Dale, Potter Presser, listed in the 1901 Census Enumeration Book for the North Staffordshire Infirmary at Hartshill. His relation to the institution is 'Patient'.

I have then found a death for Robert Dale in the June Q 1904. Do you think I have followed the more likely Robert Dale or is there evidence that he died by 1891 that I have missed? I am aware that all the information that 'ciderdrinker' provided really put me on track and for that I am very appreciative - thank you.

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Dale/Chell Assistance
« on: Monday 19 September 16 06:19 BST (UK)  »
Yahoo! I have just received Gladys May birth certificate. Yes, her mother was Florence Maud DALE, a servant (domestic) who lived at 2 South Street, Fenton. This was Edward Chell's address in 1918 from a record I have for him. Florence Maud registers Gladys's birth.

I made contact with the owner of the Ancestry tree that has the photo of Florence Maud Junior. The owner lives in the US and his grandfather and Edward Chell were half brothers. So, I will follow-up that link a bit further as well.

My mother-in-law also provided a DNA test and those results came in last night but no easy contacts have popped up. I am on the steep learning curve in this area so am not rushing into it.

Thank you for your assistance. I will now follow this paper trail but any suggestions always welcomed.

Kind regards
Merrelyn

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Re: Dale/Chell Assistance
« on: Wednesday 03 August 16 07:32 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for your assistance. I checked with Gladys May's daughter-in-law in Stoke to confirm that she did not have a copy of the birth certificate. I have just ordered the birth certificate as suggested above. I will see where that takes me. Thank you again.

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Staffordshire completed Look up Requests / Dale/Chell Assistance
« on: Tuesday 02 August 16 07:31 BST (UK)  »
My mother-in-law has asked me to see if I can find out some information on her mother, Gladys May KNIGHT (nee DALE CHELL), born 1916.

Gladys May was raised by Edward CHELL and always called Winifred POOLE (nee CHELL) her sister. In actual fact, Gladys was the informant on Winifred's death certificate.

My mother-in-law has given me two stories as she has aged:
1. Her mother was illegitimate but the natural daughter of Edward. Because the mother did not want to keep the baby, Edward took her and, with Winifred's assistance, raised her.
2. Edward adopted Gladys (this story has only recently been told to me).

The information I have to hand includes:
1. Edward Chell - believed to have been born about 1879.
2. About 1904/5 Edward married Prudence Taft.
3. On 10 October 1905 at 8 Fenton Low, Winifred was born. Edward's occupation at the time was Coal Miner (Winifred's birth Certificate).
4. On 15 October 1918, Edward applied, according to The Factory and Workshop Act of 1901, for a Certified Copy of Winnifred's [sic] entry of birth. At that time, he listed his address as No. 2, South Street, Mt Pleasant, Fenton and his occupation was Fitters Assistant, Loco Kerr, Stuarts, Stoke (Application 'To Prove Age for Elementary Education Purpose').
5. On 4th July, Winifred Chell, aged 21 years, married Frank Mottram Poole, 22 years. Frank's occupation was Stationary Engineman at Steelworks; Winifred's occupation was General Servant Domestic. Winifred was living at 6 Upper Crescent Harpfields, Stoke on Trent and Frank was living at 60 Spode Street, Stoke on Trent. On the Marriage Entry Winifred's father is listed now as William Edward CHELL and a chimney sweep (Marriage Certificate).
6. There are no children of this marriage.
7. Edward CHELL of 2 South Street, Fenton and a Chimney Sweep dies on 27 Dec 1956 aged 71 years (Death Certificate).

a. In 1916 (believed to be 23 February), a child named Gladys May DALE is born. Mother's name may be Florence Maud DALE.
b. Gladys is raised by Edward CHELL. Was this because he was the natural father and the mother did not want the child? Did Edward adopt the child?
c. Gladys called Winifred her sister and they had a close relationship.
d. Gladys marries Joseph KNIGHT 3 Aug 1935 at St Peters Church. She lists her name as Gladys May DALE CHELL. She is living at 87 Whieldon Road and her father is listed as Edward CHELL, Chimney Sweep (Marriage Certificate).
e. By the birth of her first child in 1937, she is living at 186 Whieldon Road, Fenton (Daughter's birth Certificate).
f. Winifred dies a widow on 8 Oct 1986 and the informant is Gladys May KNIGHT, sister (Death Certificate).
g. Gladys May KNIGHT (nee CHELL) dies a widow on 15 May 1988 at 186 Whieldon Road, Mt Pleasant (Death Certificate).

As can be seen Gladys May used both names separately and together: DALE, CHELL. The information above I have from photocopied documents I gathered when our family visited my husband's relatives in England (from Australia) in the mid-90s. My mother-in-law is not well and has always expressed a desire to know more about her maternal parentage (I have retired and now have some time to look into it a bit more).

In the 1911 census, Edward is living with his son and daughter and a 60 year old woman who is listed as a servant doing house work. It could be possible that within the next 5 years he could have employed a young woman and fathered Gladys. Lots of suppositions. Edward did not remarry to my knowledge.

I hope there is enough information here to elicit feedback. Any assistance or thoughts on how I might approach this would be appreciated. Is there a way to check for adoptions?

Thank you in advance.

Kind regards
Merrelyn Bates

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: 1861 Census
« on: Friday 17 June 16 12:42 BST (UK)  »
Thank you. I can see those terms now that you point it out. Does a 'Sunday scholar' mean that he went to 'school' only on Sundays or that it was the minister who did the teaching. Also, would it also apply to Andrew even though it just says 'scholar' for him?
Do you know what a 'bank boy at pit' did?

Kind regards
Merrelyn

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / 1861 Census
« on: Friday 17 June 16 12:06 BST (UK)  »
I have been looking at the 1861 Census for Daniel Bailey and his family http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&db=uki1861&h=20037261
When I look at the sons' occupations I am completely lost. The males in family in the 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses work as coal miners or stone miners. In the 1861 census Daniel is working as a coal miner. His son Frederick T (or J) looks like it is 'bank boy ?' at the age of 8. His son Samuel, age 7, looks like "sa? scholar". Andrew's occupation is clear - 'scholar'. I was wondering if the terms were specific to the coal mining jobs for children. Any assistance gratefully appreciated.
Merrelyn

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Address: 2 Terrace Buildings UD
« on: Thursday 16 June 16 09:20 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for the map links. I have only just now had the time to sit and look (undisturbed by young grandchildren who wanted to know what I was looking at, etc.). The side by side map was fascinating because I have found that David's mother and siblings were living in No 23 Meakins Row. This address is so clearly identified. Thank you again.

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Address: 2 Terrace Buildings UD
« on: Thursday 16 June 16 04:15 BST (UK)  »
Thank you for that information on who lived at No2 Terrace Bldgs in the 1911 Census. I had not realised that I had not named the family I was researching - still so much to learn.

On the 1911 Census, David Osborne and his family were living at No9 Terrace Bldgs. He had moved to No 2 Terr Bldgs when one of his son's birth was registered. He was a 'coal miner hewer'. He served in WW1, enlisting in 1914 and serving in France. He was discharged in 1919 but reenlisted for the State of Emergency of 1921. When he was discharged in July 1921 he was still at No2. I haven't progressed any further with him just yet.

Kind regards
Merrelyn

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Address: 2 Terrace Buildings UD
« on: Monday 13 June 16 09:50 BST (UK)  »
Thank you so much.

Being so far away in Queensland Australia it is challenging to get a 'picture' in my head to help me understand. We did go back to Stoke in the mid-90s so that my husband could introduce our daughters and I to his grandmother. My memory of Stoke was of lots of road works. It was Christmas time and it felt very very cold although I loved how the spider webs shone in the night lights.

Michael's mother worked in the Wedgwood pottery and I have a very small photo of her standing in front of her bench when she was about 16. Michael's grandfather, and a number of ancestors, worked in the mines. In fact his paternal grandfather was killed in a mine accident in 1956 - I haven't confirmed that information yet.

As this is my first steps into the English lines I am sure I will have more questions later. Again, thank you.
Merrelyn

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