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Occupation Interests / Re: Merchant Navy Records
« on: Thursday 15 January 15 15:08 GMT (UK)  »
It was exactly the same as it was in wartime, just not quite as dangerous. Hard work, poor pay, poor food, poor accommodation, frequently hazardous work and conditions. Some might stay for years with the same line, but most would sign on whatever ship the Merchant Marine Office assigned them to when they wanted work. They signed on for the duration of a voyage, once the requirement of their trip was complete that particular contract was finished and they would either sign on for another voyage with that ship or be paid off and go ashore until they were ready to go to sea again. The contract ended if the ship was sunk, even in wartime, and at that point their wages immediately stopped, no ship, no contract, no more pay. Some might work for years as a seaman, some might just make one or two voyages and then stay ashore.
http://www.bookdepository.com/book/9780747812326?redirected=true&v=A7V6U&selectCurrency=GBP&gclid=CK2aof2glsMCFabLtAod0UsAGA

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Armed Forces / Re: Change of name at time of enlistment 1st WW - England
« on: Thursday 15 January 15 01:32 GMT (UK)  »
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Armed Forces / Re: Change of name at time of enlistment 1st WW - England
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 23:47 GMT (UK)  »


No, birth certificates weren't required in order to enlist,...a recruit merely had to claim to be, and appear to be, 17 to join a Territorial unit, and 18 to join the full Army, but they weren't supposed to serve overseas until they were 19, but of course many men did enlist and serve overseas whilst underage.

Why did he at some point give his birth surname ?, well until adoption was introduced in the late 1920's there was no legal provision for the parent of a second marriage to legally adopt a child of the first marriage, and to legally change the child's surname via adoption, so his birth surname was still his official legal surname, although in Britain a person can use whatever name they wish to, provided that they don't use it for criminal purposes, and provided that they use their legal surname for official purposes such as marriage, although even in that case they can marry under their unofficial surname, provided that they also declare their official surname, in which case they will be listed on the marriage registration as, Smith commonly known as Brown.

However, he was warned in writing on his enlistment papers that he was committing a punishable offence if he gave any false answers on his enlistment form, and perhaps he was concerned that he might be found out, and he wanted to correct his situation.

Perhaps he discussed his true parentage with someone and his superiors heard about it.

Soldiers were encouraged to make a will and perhaps he was concerned that his will might be invalidated if his real name was subsequently discovered.

The automatic beneficiary would have been his step father and perhaps he wanted to make his mother the beneficiary and wanted to ensure that his step father couldn't challenge the will.

Perhaps he had applied for a war disability pension and he had to do that in his birth name because those pensions were administered by the Ministry of pensions and might have been linked to his National Insurance documents which might have been issued in his birth surname, some men did serve under a false name but claimed war pensions in their real name.

When a man claimed a war pension his service records were sent to the Ministry of Pensions and perhaps that was the record that you saw, and if so perhaps his surname was chamged after his service, if that was the case and it happened several years after the war, his medal records would probably still be in his step father's surname.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards-ww1.htm

Sometimes when a child is raised by a stepfather and their relationship is a good one, the child will continue to use their step surname as an adult, and will even sometimes legally change their birth surname, but if the relationship is a poor one, they may revert to their birth surname as an adult.




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World War Two / Re: Army Unit 2nd world War
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 22:16 GMT (UK)  »
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World War One / Re: Rifle Brigade
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 20:55 GMT (UK)  »
11th (Service) Battalion The Rifle Brigade  ( Service = war service )

Medal info http://www.greatwar.co.uk/medals/ww1-campaign-medals.htm

Battalion info http://www.1914-1918.net/rb.htm

Battalion War Diaries...and roll of officer's, N.C.O's, and enlisted men...
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_srt=3&_q=59+Infantry+Brigade%3A+11+Battalion+Rifle+Brigade.&_col=200&_cr1=WO+95&_hb=tna

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World War One / Re: What regiment is this WW1 Cap Badge?
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 18:44 GMT (UK)  »


It's not RASC, it isn't star shaped and the top of the laurel wreath is open.





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World War One / Re: WW1 France: Help with place name, Graville Sainte Honorine
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 17:39 GMT (UK)  »
There were only 2 birth registrations that match that name combination, timeframe, and location.

1880 in Poplar Registration District and 1881 in Shoreditch Registration District, none in Islington Registration District,...Shoreditch sounds like the likeliest, it's near Islington, and Poplar is about 10 miles away.

William Edward Cook birth registered Oct/Nov/Dec quarter of 1881 Shoreditch Registration District Volume 1C Page 143 http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Shoreditch registers are now held by Hackney
http://www.hackney.gov.uk/births-historical-searches.htm#

http://www.hackney.gov.uk/births.htm#

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World War One / Re: What regiment is this WW1 Cap Badge?
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 16:52 GMT (UK)  »
Oh, you were being ironic, eh. ?  :) I just assumed that you were an American.  :)
Yep, even a drummer boy, and bear in mind, when someone enlisted, they had a choice of regiment/corps, at least they did until later in WW1 when manpower needs took preference over the wishes of recruits.

Today a recruit will enlist at their local recruitment office, and then be sent to train at wherever the training depot of his chosen unit is, much the same procedure as it was back then, except that back then he would have enlisted at the army barracks of whatever unit happened to be in his local area, so for example, a recruit in Glasgow  might have enlisted to serve in the Royal Artillery, and have done so in an infantry regiment barracks in Glasgow, and then have been sent to Woolwich in London perhaps, to do his basic training in the Royal Artillery.

You keep calling him a drummer "boy", and perhaps he was a boy, you have only posted a picture of his hat !,...the minimalist approach.  :) ... and certainly at least up to the late Victorian era boys were legally enlisted as musicians, and even in recent years 16 year olds, and I think even 15 year olds, with parental consent, could enlist for junior service in the British Army.

In WW1 the minimum age for adult service was 17 in the territorials, 18 in the ordinary army, but nobody was supposed to serve overseas until they were 19, but of course many thousands of underage youths both enlisted and served abroad at much younger ages,...his hat is typical 1902 pattern service dress, so he could have enlisted pre WW1, or post WW1.

There were adult drummers in the WW1 and pre and post WW1 era, and if a man served overseas in WW1 he was entitled to campaign medals, and if you go here, and search on the rank of drummer, you'll see lots of supposedly adult drummers...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards-ww1.htm

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World War One / Re: What regiment is this WW1 Cap Badge?
« on: Wednesday 14 January 15 13:57 GMT (UK)  »
I agree it look very similar, though to me the centre part looks more substantial than the RE badge.

I guess to become a drummer boy in the RE you'd live locally? If so that all sounds rather neat. Find out where the RE were based, match a base where relatives lived to that part of the country and identify drummer boy in photo.
Re comment 1...the blurring in pictures of badges can make them look very different from their real appearance.

Re comment 2...No, absolutely not !,...a person in any British Army unit might enlist and or serve in a unit which had no connection with their home area, and during WW1 they might be transferred to several different regiments/corps during their service,...as for the Royal Engineers, it was one of the biggest Corps in the British Army, many thousands of men served in it at any given time period, and they served all over Britain and all over the world.

That's why their motto is...Ubique ( i.e. Everywhere ).

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