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Mayo / Re: Family of Thomas Brennan born ~1832-34 Possibly Charlestown/Kilbeagh
« on: Friday 23 June 17 01:13 BST (UK)  »
That makes sense. I saw that prior to the establishment of some of the RC records in Charlestown/Kilbeagh there was a chapel in Ballaghy and a Church in Tample. I wonder if these records would have been included in the search I conducted or if they are located elsewhere. Re. the question about pension, no, he immigrated to England and the U.S. Thank you much for the help.

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Mayo / Family of Thomas Brennan born ~1832-34 Possibly Charlestown/Kilbeagh
« on: Thursday 22 June 17 20:39 BST (UK)  »
Tring to find this ancestor's parents. Know he had several children in Kilbeagh/Charlestown in 1850s and 1860s with Mary Collins. Cannot find marriage info in Ireland (first child b. 1852) but found possible marriage in England with Mary Collins-Thos. Brinnan (they also lived in Batley Yorkshire).

Searched Irish Census for 1851 and 1841 and came up with these possible hits:

1-b. 1833 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9D-7SY5
2-b 1836. In bekan costello https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9D-QYQ5
3-b. 1833. 1841 census at killedan parish: http://search.findmypast.com/record?id=ire%2fcensus%2fsefo184151%2f95512. 
4-no age given Child in roslee, mayo in 1841: http://search.findmypast.com/record?id=ire%2fcensus%2fsefo184151%2f176815

Wondering what your opinions are about which-if any-might be him and how I might be able to find his birth and marriage records. FYI, his oldest son was Patrick and his other sons were Thomas, jr.  and John (trying to think of what Thomas Sr's father's name might be). He died in Illinois, US~ 1902 and was RC. Any help/insight/direction would be appreciated!

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Lanarkshire / Peter/Patrick Heenan/Heany pre 1851 Census
« on: Thursday 22 June 17 17:26 BST (UK)  »
Trying to locate info. Re this ancestor. Born ~1823-25 Rutherglen, Lanark. Married in 1844 in same locale (Patrick Heaney and Ellen Carron).
Cannot find any birth records except this one: male no first name, last name Hanan Birth Date 01 Dec 1824 EDINBURGH PARISH,EDINBURGH,MIDLOTHIAN,SCOTLAND Father William Hanan. They were catholic if it makes a difference in records.

For 1841 census, found 3 possibles: Patrick  Hannay, b. ~1824 Renfrewshire (GS FILM 1042726) and two that might be identical? Heter Henny b. 1826 and Petter Henny b. 1826. (Both on GS FILM 1042743) and possibly both associated with Jean Henny, b. 1801 Ireland.

Any help verifying this info. or letting me know if I missed anything would be appreciated!

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Lanarkshire / Re: Ellen McCairn and Peter Heenan/Hannan -their parents?- 1851 1841 Census
« on: Sunday 11 October 15 01:53 BST (UK)  »
Thank you!. I was torn about whether I had enough info to go with the Helen on Main Street--but to hear you feel confident, makes me certain now. You also helped confirm who Ellen's parents were and that they (as I suspected) were born in Ireland.
I had not looked at Bridget McCarron McInilley, so that is the next place to go--thanks!
And, yes, Thomas' son Leo drowned at 16 or 17 years of age and Thomas died two weeks later, tho its not clear that he was ill. I've been able to find some newspaper articles that fill in some missing pieces. Sad story.

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Lanarkshire / Re: Ellen McCairn and Peter Heenan/Hannan -their parents?- 1851 1841 Census
« on: Sunday 11 October 15 00:05 BST (UK)  »
Anne- I remember you helped me figure out a lot of the census info with the many alternate spellings. You may have been the one who helped me get out of my blinders focusing only on "Pitcairn".
I am so glad you found them in 1851---I hadn't seen that info! It looks like had (and lost) another girl, Katherine. 

I also found the 1844 marriage and downloaded the document from Scotlands People but it only listed their names--nothing else. Is there another place I could find additional info. related to the marriage (parents, witnesses, addresses, church, etc?) or is it just too far back?

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Lanarkshire / Re: Ellen McCairn and Peter Heenan/Hannan -their parents?- 1851 1841 Census
« on: Saturday 10 October 15 23:56 BST (UK)  »
Yes-you are exactly right. This IS the same family that I started as looking for through a listing of "L. Pitcairn" as Thomas Heenan's mom on his death certificate. Guidance from you all (and the location of the passage records from England to the US) confirmed what the Scots censuses were consistently indicating (by the presence of Thomas, Peter, Jr. and Peter Sr together and the coal mining occupations.) ---that their mom was really Ellen McCarne/McCarron. That was a huge thing to learn.

But...I am stuck here. I know they had several children, though only Thomas and Peter went to the U.S. with them in 1881, just a couple months after the census. I can't find out any further back than 1861, tho Peter and Ellen both said they were  born and married in Scotland. If any daughters survived and remained in Scotland (they were quite a bit older than Peter and Thomas) I thought I could track from that or 1841 census or catholic/public marriage banns...but no luck to date. Thanks Again for your help!


Can you tell me where you found the death cert. you mentioned? Mine only had his mother's name.

 

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Lanarkshire / Re: Ellen McCairn and Peter Heenan/Hannan -their parents?- 1851 1841 Census
« on: Saturday 10 October 15 21:18 BST (UK)  »
Kim-Thanks for this! I am pretty certain Ellen was born in Rutherglen, as it was listed on several independent documents. I also found two Ellen/Helen McCarrons in the 1841 census. I think one is "mine" (either Ellen McCarron b.1826,  daughter of Daniel McCarron of Rutherglen Lanark or Helen McCarron b. 1826 in Lanarkshire, daughter of John McCarron) I don't know which and I can't find anything on Peter Heenan/Hannon/Heaney in 1841. That's why I was trying to use their children's marriages as a possible source. I had not come up with the marriages you noted---thank you--I will follow up on those.

I did look at the Peter Hainan/Isabella Murphy and a couple of the other paths you notes, but ruled them out because they showed up in censuses living in a different place than "my" family was documented as living.
I don't know if this helps any but I believe they were Roman Catholic and lived all their lives in Lanarkshire and Ayrshire areas (or possibly other areas that had coal mines).


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Lanarkshire / Ellen McCairn and Peter Heenan/Hannan -their parents?- 1851 1841 Census
« on: Saturday 10 October 15 02:06 BST (UK)  »
Hello-Many of you previously  helped me narrow down my search for ancestors in this post  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=708223.0

I believe I have found a consistent trail for my ggg grandparents Ellen McCairn (under several alternate spellings: Helen, McCarne, McCairn, McCarn, MacCcairn, Carron and McCarron) and Peter Heenan(alternate spellings , Heaney, Haney, Hainey, Hainney, Hannon) and their family in the 1881, 1871 and 1861 censuses as well as at least 6 birth records. The censuses say both were born in Rutherglen, Lanarkshire. Ellen sometime between 1826-1827 and Thomas 1823-26. I found what I think may be their wedding records on Scotlandspeople on Jan 28 1844 (Helen Carron and Patrick Heaney) but the records show no other identifying info. I can't find them in the 1841 or 1851 censuses. I've tried to look for their children's possible weddings in post-1855 records hoping they might reveal something but I've come up cold (children Helen, b. 1847 in Cambuslang, Mary b.1856 in Luggar and Catherine b. 1849 in Rutherglen)  Any suggestions of how I can proceed?

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Scotland / Re: Finding First Wife of Ancestor John Daley
« on: Monday 23 February 15 04:46 GMT (UK)  »
So sad. I found this is an article on British maternal Mortality in the 19th century:
PUERPERAL PYREXIA
Deaths from puerperal pyrexiai are rarely seen these days, but it was a major killer in previous centuries. It usually followed an ascending infection of the decidua and particularly to the placental bed. It started 3-10 days after birth and ended in one of three outcomes:
1-a pelvic abscess, a localised infection of the pelvis walled off by natural resistance;
2-a septic thrombophlebitis leading to septicaemia when bacteria could spread to the pelvic veins. This was usually fatal;
3-peritonitis, which was usually a most painful death, when bacteria had travelled up the fallopian tube.

On that very sad note, please consider this post addressed and closed.

Quote from: Joyful on Monday 23 February 15 03:57 GMT (UK)
Hi jmara


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