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The Thomas living with Barbara was also born in Rhyl on the census, and I used that information to apply for his birth certificate, unlike today when we fill in our own census form the enumerator went from house to house on the evening before, and will probably have asked who lives with you, and whether or not he was there on the night, she would probably have said Thomas lived with them; as I have pointed out before, the Thomas with the Cookes was only there as a visitor, and he was definately not with Alice or her family in 1901.
Winefred emigrated to Canada where she died.
Frank

Hi all,
I realise  that we can't prove 100% that Thomas was the son of Alice Slater who gave birth to him on 27th of April 1897 in Rhyl, but also we can't prove that he was not.
The Thomas on the 1911 census was the person that my mother-in-law was told by her father Albert that he was found on the doorstep, so if as he put his age as 1895 on his army records, where was he in 1901, where as the thomas on the 1901 census living with Barbara, and given as her brother, age three, more or less matches up to the date of 1897, because we don't know when he was left with John and Hannah slater, it is possible that she breast fed him for awhile, and handed him over in the August which is the month that Thomas gave as his birthday; she could have kept him until she moved back with her family, or when her brother William John moved to Shropshire, Whenever that may have been, I'm sure that as a mother she would have felt something for him, especialy as she probably only moved away to avoid any embarrasment to the family.
 Jeanette, or Janet as she was called in 1911 was born in 1893, and winefred in 1897, so the 1895 date may have been given to make things look more respectable, coming halfway between the two; weighing all these things up tends to make me think that Thomas of 1901 and the Thomas of 1911 are one and the same, but it doesn't help us to find what happened to Alice after 1911.
Frank.

thanks heywood.
I tried to register with mundia, but they said that my E-mail address already existed, and the refused to accept it, which is odd because I have never been on it before, but I have passed the information on to Thomas' daughter.
frank

Thanks Lizdb, and heywood'
I hear what you say and have E-mailed Thomas' Daughter who gave me the 1911 census listing of Thomas to tell me what age was put for him, but I haven't recieved a reply yet, there seems to be some confusion about his age, I believe at one tim he put his month of birth as June.
The one thing that bothers me is why did they say that he was found on the doorstep, which is what all the family have been told if he was adopted, surely it is an honourable thing to adopt a child, so why try to hide it.
I know of one person who was born out of wedlock who was adopted by her stepfather at the age of 16 so that it would make things look more respectable when applying for a passport etc, could this be the case with Thomas I wonder?
One thing I have learned while researching this case is that many untruths were put onto documents in those days,eg, Hannah was single, and living with her parents on the 1871 census, and John Edwin was living with his sister and her Husband in Newcastle under lyne, they got married in 1873; on Barbara's birth certificate it says daughter of Hannah Thomas formaly Davies and John Thomas deceased, but I found no record of a marriage or a death for John Thomas, and John Thomas was a name sometimes given to the male private parts in those days.
On the 1881 census barbara was living with her grand parents as Davies aged 8 ten years later she was said to be 16, and on the 1801 census she was given as head of family and working as house keeper for her father age 22, when in fact she would have been 28, and her father was living 20 or 30 miles away.
Frank 

hi Heywood,
Thanks, I had a quick look Last night, but was unable to find anything, I'm afraid I'm not very good at finding my way around web sites; what should I have been looking for? I looked under archives, probably the wrong place.

It has occured to me that maybe I should try to find the baptism records of Thomas, this might just have a name for a father, and god parents; I could try the church where William John and Jessie Robins got married, it would probably depend on how long after the birth it was before he was given away, I don't know when I will be able to get there though, hopefuly soon.
Frank