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London and Middlesex / Re: Green Carpenter and De Lille and Jury families London
« on: Friday 09 September 22 07:51 BST (UK)  »
Thank you all so much for your help, sorry I haven't been on for a while. The news of her marriage makes total sense. I had wondered about that. Nice also to see somebody is interested in the Carpenter clan. Please let me know if I can be of any help.

Denise I have been searching for any record of a 38 marriage and/or what happened afterwards...Can you help with any info on where they married etc. I just seem to be coming up blank.
Best wishes, Melissa

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Norwood cemetery complete
« on: Wednesday 19 November 14 19:42 GMT (UK)  »
Many thanks for this and your help, much appreciated. Melissa

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: Norwood cemetery complete
« on: Wednesday 19 November 14 07:03 GMT (UK)  »
Wow that trip sounds really frustrating...would they not let you look at the burial book because it was old?? Maybe then they could have handled it and you could have just viewed it? Family research can be such fun but also really irritating particularly if you get a difficult person in an official position somewhere...and it can depend on the countries too as to how frustrating it can be when you are trying to access stuff from overseas....try Zimbabwe and South Africa to get records from!!! Hope you are able to try again sometime! Best wishes Melissa

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London and Middlesex / Green Carpenter and De Lille and Jury families London
« on: Wednesday 19 November 14 04:56 GMT (UK)  »
Hi I am looking for anybody who is doing research into the above families. The Greens lived for many years in the Tower Hamlets area, often working as wheelwrights/millwrights. The Carpenters settled in abt 1880s and came from Effingham. The Green family married into the Jury family in 1841 and there is also meant to be a ? link with the Horatio Nelson family somewhere at this point or possibly one gen above. My greatgrandfather was Cornelius Green (b Portsea Hampshire), his father was Leopold Miles Green (wife Jane Jury) b Stepney and his father was Leopold Miles Green b Stepney. My great grandmother was Emily Green (nee Carpenter). Her brother was Charles (d 27/1/28), her sister Alice and her parents John (d 25/1/1898) and Caroline (nee Spier) dying on 8/7/99. The John Carpenter was a carpenter and they lived in the Wandsworth area, his forebears came from Effingham.
Her sister Alice married a John De Lille who served as the US consulate in Bristol in the late 1880s.
Her one child Dorothy was apparently an "actress" and married a Bertie Coleman Crump a "director", he was the director of the Lyric Opera House Hammersmith 1915-16 before he went bankrupt and it went on to better things than being a music hall! I think they had two boys in Wandsworth but have lost track of the family after this.

All of this information has only recently been discovered by our family. Unfortunately my grandfather was completely tight lipped about his family and my mother in South Africa never knew anything about them. Many decades on she is delighted to find some roots at last!

I also have a huge favour to ask anyone who happens to be going to the West Norwood Cemetery to photograph graves as we would love to see anything from those that might remain and unfortunately as I am in Australia there is not much chance of visiting.


The information we have on the graves from my grandfather's documents (when he visited the cemetery and paid for upkeep on some of the graves in the 50s-60s) is as follows.
Green Ena d 9/2/1922 and Green Emily d 23/9/1943 are I think in the same grave 36005 sq 43. He has marked on the note that it is the second tier from the road. He says this grave is 9 inches from Green 35907 and 4 ft east of Green 35360. I believe one of the two Greens here would be Cornelius who died abt Feb  1922 after a 1907 divorce from Emily. I am not sure who the other is. Also buried at West Norwood is Emily Green (nee Carpenter's) sister Alice De Lille and her husband John. He died13/1/1890 and she died in 5/10/1927?.
The information my grandfather gave for this burial is plot 23682 sq 101 Delille, 2/9 west of Eugenie Waite 19514, 8th tier from Doctors Road.
 My grandfather lists his mother's brother Charles as dying on 27/1/28 and her parents Caroline (nee Spier) dying on 8/7/99 and John dying on 25/1/1898. It is possible but not certain they may also be in Norwood.


Any help at all would be incredibly gratefully received and I'm happy to reciprocate with anything I can do from Canberra!
Best wishes Melissa

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Hi, I may be a little late in responding to this post but I am hoping someone will see it. Recently my mother and I uncovered a whole family living in England that she knew nothing about, her father's, he had been completely silent about them! At 80 she is delighted to find some roots at last! Her grandfather, grandmother and aunt and her aunt's sister and husband are all buried in West Norwood. I am in Australia and my mom is in South Africa so if anyone happens to be visiting with a camera we would be eternally grateful. The information we have on the graves from my grandfather's documents (when he visited the cemetery and paid for upkeep on some of the graves in the 50s-60s) is as follows.
Green Ena d 9/2/1922 and Green Emily d 23/9/1943 are I think in the same grave 36005 sq 43. He has marked on the note that it is the second tier from the road. He says this grave is 9 inches from Green 35907 and 4 ft east of Green 35360. I believe one of the two Greens here would be Cornelius who died abt Feb  1922 after a 1907 divorce from Emily. I am not sure who the other is. Also buried at West Norwood is Emily Green (nee Carpenter's) sister Alice De Lille and her husband John who was the US consul in Bristol in the late 1880s. He died13/1/1890 and she died in 5/10/1927?.
The information my grandfather gave for this burial is plot 23682 sq 101 Delille, 2/9 west of Eugenie Waite 19514, 8th tier from Doctors Road.
If there is anyone out there doing the history of the Green/Carpenter family in this area of London I would also be interested to hear from them. My grandfather lists his mother's brother Charles as dying on 27/1/28 and her parents Caroline (nee Spier) dying on 8/7/99 and John dying on 25/1/1898. It is possible but not certain they may also be in Norwood.


Any help at all would be incredibly gratefully received and I'm happy to reciprocate with anything I can do from Canberra!
Best wishes Melissa

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