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Lancashire / Re: Scarrs of Todmorden
« on: Monday 16 January 17 11:52 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: CoatesW on Sunday 15 January 17 15:13 GMT (UK)
I am related to the Scarr's of Helm and Low Abbotside near Askrigg in Wensleydale and can trace back as follows

Thomas Scarr (d? 1669)
John Scarr (1647-1717)
George Scarr (1674-1733)
James Scarr (1713-1792)
George Scarr (1751        )
James Scarr (1766-1828)
George Scarr (1789-1850)
Wilson Scarr (1820-1852)
James Scarr   b. 1851 Shaw Cote, Low Abbotside, 1939
GRANDMOTHER Isabel Agnes Scarr  b. 1888 Low Abbotside, Yorkshire d.1975
DAD               James Scarr Coates

Hi there,
We are cousins. My lineage is via James Scarr (1766-1828). Would be great if we could exchange research (I have 20 years of research material!) PM me your email address. Cheers

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: SKARR / SCARR
« on: Sunday 02 November 14 17:57 GMT (UK)  »
Daniel,
Please accept my deepest apology. It is clear that I chose my words incorrectly. I did not wish to slight you in any way.
I simply meant, if there are documents to prove the other children then this would be acceptable. I didn't wish to infer your research was based on hearsay. It came out wrongly. What I meant to say was that I have communicated with many Scarr researches in the past and many cannot backup their data with proof. Often it is data obtained from other researchers who in turn have obtained it from someone else without proof. So, I meant to say, I would be happy to add and/or change my tree if backed up by documented evidence.
Anyway, after reading back my response I fully understand your anger.

But getting back to my quote, I am still intrigued. Maybe you have verifiable data that shows both parents at baptism. But my experience shows that rarely is the mother's name given in a baptism register. How are you certain that the baptisms between James and Ellen Claughton continued after 1745?

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Lancashire / Re: Scarrs of Todmorden
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 16:11 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: Luzzu on Wednesday 26 January 11 13:32 GMT (UK)
Have you seen this?:-

http://www.scarr.org/newsletter.htm

"A John went to Todmorden on the border of Lancashire and the family spread to various parts of both Yorkshire and Lancashire."

Can't see the name of the author though or any contact details.

Luzzu
Unfortunately this newsletter is not available online anymore but I have a copy of it. It was authored by Roy Scarr. Much research that everyone has on the Scarrs is attributed to him even though it was full of errors. Roy and I communicated quite frequently about 18 years ago!

Re Todmordon: not sure if this is useful but here is a snippet from my notes re James Scarr 19 Feb 1797 Spennithorne, Yorks who married Betty Ingham. James' parents were John Scarr (Hamby, Askrigg, a Mason) and Hannah Whitton. I don't have a Richard to this couple but have several other children. Here are the notes for James:
"Found a son John to James (a Mason) and Betty born in the DogHouse!. Baptised 17 Apr 1840. Also a son James baptised 23 May 1847 (his father james a Stone Mason.) This means his father James was still alive in 1847. Son James was baptised in Stansfield which is serviced by the post office in Todmorden."

Note this Todmoden lineage flows back to George Scarr and Sarah Coates of Helm. Many of the Helm Scarrs were stone masons. This is also my lineage.

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: Scarr's of Askrigg
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 15:10 GMT (UK)  »
Quote from: woodydog on Saturday 23 April 05 13:01 BST (UK)
Her name is Catherine Scarr born in Hunton n.Yorks 1779 her parents are listed as Jno (presume John) Scarr & Mary Irvin but I have no birth details, however my family (down through the generations) have always told me that my ancestors came from Askrigg . Does this ring any bells?
Catherine was married to James Pratt in Patrick Brompton & had sons George, Matthew & Benjamin- I can follow that line all the way up to the present day.
Please contact me if you'd like to hear more or think there might be a connection.
Bye for now
Rose

Yes, Catherine was born 17 Sep 1779 Patrick Brompton. Her father John Scarr married Mary Irwin 3 Nov 1778. John was born 1732 but was baptised much later in Hawes on 24 Jun 1753. John'a parents James Scarr and Ellen Claughton m. 25 Apr 1731. Ellen was from Lambhill. They married in Askrigg. James (the father) was born 12 Jan 1713 in Helmsley. I am interested in Catherine's descendants lineage. Please PM me.

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Yorkshire (North Riding) / Re: SKARR / SCARR
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 13:00 GMT (UK)  »
Daniel111,
I have been researching my Scarr family for almost 20 years (originally Roy Scarr and I collaborated) and (most) of my information is backed by documented proof (actual images of baptisms, marriage, death, wills, etc). I have evidence that James did indeed marry twice. First to Ellen Claughton 25 Apr 1731 and second to Jane Coulson 20 May 1745.  Incidentally, James' parents were George Scarr and Ann Clarkson they married 6 Aug 1701 again I have this marriage record. What intrigues me is your statement:

Quote from: daniel1111 on Saturday 02 February 13 14:28 GMT (UK)
......my records show that a James Scarr did marry May 20th 1745 but to a Jane Coulson/Coulton and not to a Jane Cloughton.
I do not know which James Scarr this is but it is not the one who married Ellen Cloughton as they were still baptising children at and after 1745.

Baptism records in most cases do NOT show the mother's name only the father. So how can you be certain that "they" (Ellen Claughton and James) were still baptising children after 1745?

Also, my tree is by far perfect but its backed by factual documentation so I tend to trust it (mostly ;) but I do not have 10 children to James and Ellen Claughton. In fact I have 2 children (John and Jane) to Ellen and 3 children to James and Jane Coulson (George, Ellen and Jane). Of course I am always open to adding other children if the documented evidence, rathe than hearsay is given.

In any case, I am more than happy to exchange information and data in regards to the Skarr/Skarr family. Please PM me to discuss.

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