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Thank you.   I will look right now. 

So true about people lying.  My father was brought up by his grandmother.   He thought his grandmother was his mother and his mother was his sister..... and he didn’t find out till he was in his late teens.   Then he had a new birth certificate issued and my grandfathers name was added as the father and the last name as changed.  My grandparents married two years after he was born but the original birth certificate didn’t have a fathers name.  So you are right about people doing what they think is the best thing to do in a difficult situation. 

Mary died 28 Jan 1921 in Sunderland, Durham.  Thomas died in 1918 in Barnsley.

I will see what the Death Certificate says for Charles and keep on looking. 

Thank you so very much for your help.  It is wonderful being able to discuss this with someone else and getting their ideas. 

Elaine

Elaine

I can’t believe the dates are so different.  In the future I will be more cautious and check the dates.

The other Family Trees don't question that Mary might not be the mother.   But, they definitely must have proof that Thomas is not the father.   Although I can’t find any evidence on their family trees of this fact to back this assumption.   I am assuming that somehow they know for sure.  I have emailed them twice and haven’t received a reply. 

I was wondering if Mary was the mother only because on the census she states that she had eight children with seven being alive.  I was thinking that with Cissie she had 8 and it would be 9 with Charles.   But if there is no Cissie then it could be possible.   And then of course it seems that she and Thomas separated after Charles was born.

I might have to order the actual birth certificate.   I have ordered the death certificate.

Elaine

Cissy is listed in the 1891 Census as follows:

Hughes, John
Hughes, Annie
Hughes, Joseph (son)
Winter, Frank (Grandson)
Winter, Cissy. (Granddaughter)
Winter, Gertrude (Granddaughter)

John and Annie are Mary’s parents.   Cissy was listed as 4 years old.  All three grandchildren were born at Barnsley. 

Thank you for getting me all the information with respect to Mary’s children in the previous post.  I appreciate your help.

That is weird about Cissy. 

Elaine

Yes partly because of the Census.  I realize Thomas could have been visiting his son, but why was Mary listed as Head of the household.

And in Ancestry I found two FamilyTrees that show Charles as being a half brother of the other siblings.   So I have to assume that Thomas was not the father.  But, that is why I wanted to confirm that Thomas was not listed as the father in the birth certificate.

And why does it show in the Census that Mary had 8 children but in reality she would have had 9 if you included Charles..

Thank you for the link to Family Search. 

And thank you for your help. 


Elaine