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Durham / Re: Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Tuesday 15 July 25 15:46 BST (UK)  »
JenB,

In response to your reply #8.  I have just been re-reading this and I know that both breweries in the village were closed by this date.  However, there were still a substantial number of breweries in the area so, it is possible that he was either supplying yeast to them or even being involved in the brewing industry in some other way.

But Daniel Ludkin's movements are very difficult to track.  He would have taken over the licence some time after 1870 when George Dodds died.  He was living in Whickham in 1869 and that is very close to Burnopfield so it is possible that he took over very soon after George died.

He was also removed as a licensee for far less reason than seems normal at the time.  He lost his licence as a first offence - which is also unusual.  I think that there may be more to his removal than meets the eye in that it was a conspiracy between Police, Magistrates and the owner.  Maybe he was suspected of other offences that could not be proved against him, or maybe he was just unpopular.  We will probably never know.

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Durham / Re: Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Sunday 13 July 25 14:33 BST (UK)  »
JenB,

Thank you - that makes things a lot easier for me.

Neville

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Durham / Re: Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Sunday 13 July 25 02:07 BST (UK)  »
AlanBoyd,

Thank you for the information you have supplied.  I already had a rough idea of the circumstances surrounding the court appearance and I suspected that she wanted rid of Daniel Ludkin.  However, this really fleshes out the story and explains why she applied for a licence on the same day that Ludkin's licence renewal application came to court.

Your other post surprised me because I thought she had been widowed long before she came to the pub.  I did not realise that she had previously worked in the pub, supporting her husband, before Daniel Ludkin became the licensee.  I had not previously seen any mention of her husband and he is difficult to track without a forename and date and place of birth.

Now, I need to find her husband's details and when they arrived at the beerhouse.  The second item shows they were in the pub on 1st January 1869 and so they must have arrived there in 1868 or earlier.  It also explains her confidence in being able to take over the running of the pub herself.

I also need to find out when Daniel Ludkin became licensee.

Neville

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Durham / Re: Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Sunday 13 July 25 00:04 BST (UK)  »
Jen B,

Around 200 pubs and beerhouses by name but probably about 160 when you allow for changes of name. 

The pub we are currently talking about was unknown to me until Wednesday of this week when my wife found it in an old trade directory.

Neville

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Durham / Re: Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Thursday 10 July 25 22:51 BST (UK)  »
JenB,

The property in which she lived and operated is right next to an area shown as Sparrow Hill on the 6" OS map and Sparrow Hall on the 25" OS map, so I think "Sparroe" is either a misspelling or bad handwriting.  Either way, I am delighted because the Trade Directory mentioned the beerhouse name and then your contribution effectively confirmed it.

In 33 years of researching, I had never come across a reference to a beerhouse of that name or even a beerhouse in that area.  Now, I have two references in as many days and a "new" pub to add to my list

Neville

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Durham / Re: Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Thursday 10 July 25 15:47 BST (UK)  »
To JenB,

You are a genius!  I had what purported to be copies of the 1871 and 1881 census entries but neither mentioned Sparrow Hall which was the property adjoining Ann Dodds' beerhouse (or rather adjoining Raglan Place) - so that is where she got the name.  Thanks again.

Thanks also toMilliepede

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Durham / Mrs Ann Dodds, Burnopfield
« on: Thursday 10 July 25 14:44 BST (UK)  »
I am researching a beer house keeper named Mrs Ann Dodds in Burnopfield.  The 1871 census shows it as Tanfield but that was the parish at the time.  Is it possible to find the street number in Raglan Place from the following detail?
Event Place (Original)    Raglan Place, Tanfield, Durham, England
Sub-District                  Tanfield
Enumeration District      3
Household Identifier      117
Entry Number               17

Many thanks   


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Durham / Re: McKenna family of Hill Top, Dipton
« on: Monday 07 July 25 15:18 BST (UK)  »
Your posts appeared in the correct time order and place whilst I was actually reading through the posts.  I don't understand how this happened but I was glad to see the information they contained!

What really surprised me was that the copy record sheets JenB supplied gave some amazing detail but the headers stated that the reburials were in unhallowed ground.  I suppose this was an error or the new burial area was consecrated later because the removals and reburials were done in a hurry in anticipation of work starting on the new road.

Neville

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Durham / Re: McKenna family of Hill Top, Dipton
« on: Monday 07 July 25 00:42 BST (UK)  »
To JenB, AlanBoyd and Tickettyboo

It is hard for me to thank you all enough for your help.  By putting all the information together with my own, I have been able to form a reasonably clear picture of events.  The O'Neil family ran the beerhouse which would give them a little capital to buy and run the lodging house and, in fact, they were slum landlords.  From the newspaper descriptions, the lodging house was in very poor condition but it would be an ideal place to stay for the itinerant workers at the local mines and on their way to the nearby huge steelworks at Consett.  It also provided a customer base for their pub which was very close by.

Many lodging houses in the area would not accept the Irish but the O'Neils were an Irish Catholic family and did not discriminate against the Irish itinerant workers.  Far from it - this is where they made the real money!  They probably charged the same rates as other boarding houses but for inferior accommodation.  The hamlet of Hilltop contained several such boarding houses but most would not accept Irish workers.

So Thomas McKenna made his money from the pub and his wife Kate (nee O'Neil) made hers from the boarding house.  The pub and the boarding houses are long gone and a new (1970's) road caused the compulsory purchase and demolition of most of the buildings in the  immediate area.  To make matters more complicated, there were TWO Bird Inns in the Hilltop area (both now demolished).  But, if I can find out when Henry O Neil died, I can probably pin down the exact location of this one.  Many thanks to you all.

Neville

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