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AlanBoyd,

I agree with you on both counts.  I don't think the Joicey family is particularly connected to the IOM, just they used a little more imagination in naming them.  I don't think they would be bothered about what the streets were called but they do sound a bit better than Ethel Street, Jane Street, Percy Street and Theresa Street!  But it is odd to find a group of streets and a beerhouse all with Manx connections and all in one small area.

At the time we had huge numbers of immigrant workers from all over the United Kingdom and Ireland to the coal mines in Stanley and the steel works in Consett.  So why not from the Isle of Man?

Neville

I have recently come across an old newspaper advertisement announcing that a man intended to apply for a full public house licence for a beerhouse he owned in Stanley, North West Durham.  Nothing strange in that - except it was called "The Isle of Man"- which was a pretty exotic name for a pub serving some of the poorest people in England and none of the locals could ever afford to travel there.

Later, I found a group of at least four streets, and possibly more, which all had IOM names as well as others that showed no names.  I think you will agree that Douglas Street, Laxey Street, Ramsay Street and Peel Street are IOM names and the people who lived in them were probably from your island and were working in the coal mines here.  These houses were built before 1895 and were demolished in the 1950s and were not in any way luxurious.

Can anyone please tell me if it is likely that Manx people would travel this far for mine work?  Would they feel a strong enough urge to come this far for difficult, dangerous and dirty work?  Would they have mining experience?  And, specifically, are there any typical surnames I should look for when trying to trace them? 

I would also like to know when there was a larger scale migration from the island as there were a lot of houses in these streets and the beerhouse mentioned above was built around 1870.

Thank you in advance.
Elliven

Can anybody please help with the death of my Grandfather, William Horace Bougourd.  He was born in Guernsey on 29th January 1860 and served most of his younger life in the army - much of it based in the Khyber Pass in India.  He was drowned off the White Rock in October 1939 at the age of 79 and he was still working, so he was a fit man.

He had left work at the Great Western Railway offices in stormy weather and his body was found in the harbour about 10 days later.  The priest at the Roman Catholic church in town refused to bury him in case his body burst and so he was buried from the French Catholic church nearby.  He was interred in the Foulon Road cemetery in St Peterport.

I am not 100% certain but I think he lived in Berthelot Street.

My father had two press reports of the incident but I could not find them after his death and so the family no longer has them.

I would be very grateful for any information and if anyone can tell me where Guernsey newspapers of the day might be kept.  I have tried to look up these reports in the British Newspaper Archives but with no success.  Many thanks in anticipation.

Neville Bougourd

hanes teulu,

Thank you for that information.  Sadly, Iveston is at least 2 miles from Carr House and Kyo is confusing because there are three places with that name.  New Kyo was only built in the late 19th Century and can be discounted.  East and West Kyo are both very old villages but all three are even further away from Carr House than Iveston.

It looks like this is going to be mission impossible - but I will keep trying!

hanes teulu,

No, that road goes from York to Scotland but if Scottish drovers used it, they would have branched off somewhere north of Consett, perhaps towards Shotley Bridge.

The map was revised in 1895 and shows the whole of Sherburn Terrace but, when the Target/Grey Horse was built, there were large gaps in Sherburn Terrace.  If you look carefully, the pub was located on the road just below the second r in Carr Ho(use).  Carr House being the extreme edge of Consett (or Conside and Knitsley as it was then known).

This map no longer shows the footpath/drover's trail that existed at the time and is now all built over.  It is so frustrating as I live only about 2 miles away from the site of the pub and I can find virtually nothing on it's history!