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They were JONES..mums  granfatther was s  Abiah roger JONES

There were marriages to other jones and certainly innkrrpeps who.looked after relatives children in the older generationsmosltrly in Flint  & llan mur

There is a thread about there children
No connection to Birmingam as far as I know the connections were all Birkenhead.

 https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813834.msg7480052#msg7480052

Do you have a post about your John Thomas Jones ?.

He's not on the extensive tree of my mother

 

I saw tbe offer for a dna kit with 3 months free subscription but fear I may have missed it .I jumped on tbe bandwagon last time around

My subscription currently halted but pro tools app still valid for few days

Good luck i hope a missing link will appear pro tools really helps understand relationships between all the mutual matches

Biggles reply 9 regarding half sisters

Are they half sisters according to dna or common knowledge ? My 2C1R was told she had a different father because of her mother's affair but dna shows she IS descended from her legal father ...it was quite a surprise.

Re pedigree collapse ...my grandparents like many other people met at a wedding
Her cousin married his sister so of course their descendants have a higher match but on thru lines only one way may show and the match appears to be higher than expected .

You won't find the other line unless you add all your granparents cousins

This could be scenario for OP
& for many people in small communities

Especially as future weddings in  these families other in laws will meet

My favourite Scottish Old maid song
Starts
Och I've often heard it said by my mother & my father
That the going to the wedding is the making of another

I've anglicised the words ...maybe someone can find the original.

What's a reverse predictable relationship??

I'd got it wrong & ES is a great granddaughter of Clement

KW his grandchild so they are cousins once removed

Now I have to find a descendant of Gerald to confirm or disprove this theory