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Hi,

Unfortunately, the original parish registers for St. Peter’s for the period that would answer a lot of questions for us all, were destroyed during the troubles in 1922, but some transcriptions still survive:

http://www.corkrecords.com/PetersParishRegisters.htm

I pass by the church regularly, and will make a point of taking a walk through the cemetery at the back and see if any of the Rai(y)n(e)s memorials still exist and keep you posted:

http://www.corkrecords.com/StPetersGraveyard.htm

The Churchwarden’s of St. Peter’s also include Joseph Raines in 1783, whilst John Raines was removed out of the parish in 1784:

http://www.corkrecords.com/StPetersChurchWardens.htm

I corresponded with the late David Phillips (he descends from the Raines/Wrixon’s on Ballyhay, Mallow and Cork, and very meticulous in his research and note taking) in the early 1990’s whilst I was living out in West Cork, and brought up the subject of religion amongst the Cork Rai(y)n(e)s’s as it was as relevant then as it is now. If a Protestant settler married a Catholic girl, even if he didn’t convert to Catholicism upon marriage, his children would certainly have been raised as Catholics. Another version of this I’ve heard is that the sons would be raised in the father’s faith, and the daughters in the mothers. Marginal entries often appear in original registers made by the priest to this effect.

It appears that the various Raynes captains and harbour master in Cork City at the start of the 19th century were Catholic. Captain James Raynes spoke Irish, therefore must have been raised in Ireland; his brother John married Teresa Sullivan, 4th daughter of Francis Sullivan decd in 1819 as reported in the Southern Star: Tue 13 Jul 1819 on Monday morning by the Rev. Dean Collins, John Raynes Esq. master of the brigg Hibernia, of Cork, to Theresa, 4th daughter of the late Francis Sullivan of Warren’s Quay Esq.

The Rev. Dean Collin’s was a Catholic Priest very active in supporting the Presentation Convent in Cork and raising funds for school buildings etc.

The point of this observation being that when a Protestant converted to Catholicism upon marriage, they were often disowned and disinherited by their often well-to-do family, and shunned socially. Within a single generation, families went their divergent ways. I have seen this in my maternal Cork ancestry as well.

The Irish Deeds Registry lists for Rains:
http://members.pcug.org.au/~nickred/deeds/search_index.html

John – timber merchant, Cork City, 1778
William – gent, Cork City, 1778
John – gent, Cork City, 1795
Joseph – gent, Charleville, 1771 (Ballyhay is with Charleville)

But for Raynes, and apparently a generation earlier we find:
Joseph Raynes, schoolmaster, Youghal, 1739
Elizabeth Raynes, widow, no place given, 1737
Elizabeth Raynes, widow, no place given, 1742
James Raynes, gent, Youghal, 1760

And finally for Raines

Arundel Raines, no place given, but refers to ploughlands around Mallow, 1711
John Raines, esq, no place given, but refers to ploughlands around Mallow, 1711
Hugh Raines,no place given, but refers to house in Dusncombes Marsh Cork City, 1721
James Raines, servant to John Longfield of Longville House, Mallow, 1741
James Raines, servant to John Longfield of Longville House, Mallow, 1741

I have a 62 page pdf of various notes and extracts for Rai(y)n(e)s I’ve collected from many sources over the past 25 years, including my own extract of Raines from the original Christchurch registers, and newspaper references as well. I’d be happy to email on to anyone interested in hoping that a fresh set of eyes may unravel the riddle a little more.

Here's the account of Arundel Raynes' playing at dice .....

 Irish Wills & Pleadings ref: S.O.G. vol 6 p.8 Jephson v. Woods“Irish Wills & Pleadings”(ref: S.O.G. vol6 p. Jephson v. Woods contains the following: “ Thomas Batwell of ffortlane als Ballyhalla co. Cork gent. one of the attorneys of the Court of Kings Bench says that on the 23rd of May 1698 at Castlemagner at the house of William Barnes -he kept a town court for the then High Sherriff of the said county where there came into the same ,John Ffoulkes and John Chinnery gent. That after your orator had taken the presentments of thesaid Court and discharged the jury - they, the said Ffoulkes and Chinnery with other companycame into your orators company to drink a glass of aile. After your orator had dranke for some timehe bid his man to bring his horse to the doore. As he sat on horseback to go home the said Ffoulkeand Chinnery took his horse by the bridle and said he should not go away and was prevailed on by them to go with them and one Arundel Raines and George Chinnery, brother to the said John Chinnery and take a hearty glass and as an inducement telling him there was a spark in the housethat had some money and would fain play with them at hazard upon the dice. Your orator wellknowing the said Ffoulke and Chinnery to be common gamesters and as your orator has been informed and play most commonly with false dice. They promised if he lost to them or any one elsethey would repay it. He being somewhat in drink and relying on their fair promises went into thehouse again. After the said Raines had lost some money he applied to your orator for the loan of a guinea which he lent him.... It being almost day John Chinnery went to bed when Ffoulke & yourorator played...... Your orator having left £5 or £6 on the table and a large silver snuff box the said Ffoulke snatched them up saying he had won them and so left the room....... After your orator wasgone to bed the said Ffouke, George Cinnery and Arundel Raines went away. John Chinnery in themorning got up and thinking your orator was asleep bid the landlady tell him he should have all hismoney and box sent home the next day which they have not since done.1st December 1698. “(Thursday)

Hi... I've read with great interest the postings about the couple of Raynes generations discussed in this forum and thought you may all like to see the following extracts from Irish newspapers confirming the relationship between John Raynes Esq. and Captain James Raynes murdered onboard the Mary Russell on the 22nd of June 1828, and how Francis Rayanes, also a captain, met his end.

Freeman’s Journal – Monday 24 September 1855

LOSS OF THE NEW CITY OF CORK – By a telegraphic despatch received yesterday, we perceive that the New City of Cork, belonging to the city, was lately lost in Barbados in one of those hurricanes which are such a frequent occurrence in the West Indies. We regret to add that the master, who is also the owner, Mr. Francis Raynes, a native of this city, was unfortunately washed overboard during the hurricane and drowned. Captain Raynes was nephew to the late Captain Raynes, who coming as a passenger from the West Indies in 1828, was murdered with seven or eight of the crew of the Mary Russell, by Captain Stewart, for alleged mutiny, - Cork Reporter.

Cork Examiner – Wednesday 26th September 1855

WRECK OF THE “NEW CITY OF CORK” (From the Barbados Globe of August 27.)
It has become our painful duty to state for the information of our readers “at Home” and in the Sister Colonies, that this Island, since our last issue, has been visited by a very heavy gale of wind, which has been attended with the loss of three vessels and of four valuable lives. The morning of Friday was excessively sultry, and a dead calm prevailed; by twelve o’clock the excellent barometer at the commercial Hall clearly foretold what was about to happen; the wind got up in the afternoon and blew fresh from the South and by West, and from then till one o’clock in the morning of Saturday it continued to increase in violence; at that hour it had become almost a storm – the rain falling in torrents – and an awful sea rolling in from the South-West. Shortly before two the brig New City of Cork, Raynes, master, partly loaded, dragged both anchors and went on shore on the Pier Head. By the exertions (as we learned on our reaching the scene of the disaster) of Captain Kirby of the Peri, Mr. Police Magistrate Clarke and few others, a rope thrown from the Brig and secured on the shore, by which the Mate and all the crew, except the Boatswain, were got safely to land. On the boatswain’s attempting to follow he was washed from his hold, and was instantly overwhelmed by the waves and perished. Captain Raynes, now the last on board, was standing on the counter of his vessel, which was lying broadside on the rocks, when a tremendous sea struck her – broke up in a moment every portion of her, from the foremast aft, and swept him off in the wreck of his much beloved ship; his death was probably instantaneous, for when found the next afternoon, the back of his head was ascertained to be dreadfully fractured. The remains of this much-lamented gentleman – the soul of honour and integrity – one of the most generous hearted of men, and the universal favourite of everyone who knew him –after a Coroner’s inquest had sat on him, were next morning conveyed to their last resting place in the Roman Catholic burying ground, from the Pier Head Stores of Messr. Michael Cavan & Co., followed by the survivors of his crew, and by a large number of sorrowing friends and acquaintances. The boatswain’s remains were discovered the next day and decently interred in St. Mary’s.
   The Barque William Large, which was discharging, and the schooner Kohinoor, the property of Charles Leatham, Esq., of Dominica, came on shore about the same time with the ill-fated New City of Cork, but on a less rocky part of the coast. The William Large will, however, prove a total wreck, but it is probable that the Kohinoor may be got off by taking out her masts and ballast. In the latter of these vessels life was also unfortunately lost, a black sailor belonging to this Island having been washed off the deck and instantly drowned, his body was found in the morning.

You can read an account of the Mary Russell murders on the following link:

http://www.historyireland.com/18th-19th-century-history/forced-from-this-world-massacre-on-the-mary-russell/

kind regards,

Michael Raines