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Well done Patrick for your suggestion and to Jon for taking it up and amazingly quickly finding out the 'truth' which for all those years had been tucked away for future generations to discover or not.


 

Hi Greg

Your father asks about a George Barron marriage cert.  Who is he talking about?  Obviously there is no marriage cert between him and John's mother as they were never married but there is a marriage cert between George and Eleanor Kirsop/Brewis.

Interesting that one of John Crozier's daughter's was named Ellen KIRSOP Crozier.

Terri always mentioned that Jessie Prudence Gapp/Crozier - your father's aunt - was referred to as 'poor Jessie'.  Your Uncle Billy also referred to her as 'Poor Jessie'.  Apart from both her husband and eldest son 'disappearing' in the early 1900s, Jessie Prudence supposedly had another child, Elsie Irene, born in 1914.

On the birth cert it names the father as Harper but I don't believe this child was Jessie's  - I believe it was her only daughter's baby but cannot prove it.  Elsie Irene also disappears after 1914 - was she adopted?

Later Jessie's youngest son Arthur Alexander dies in a mental institution in the '20s after being in WW1 and her only daughter hitches up with a married man and has two children by him.

Anything else you might want to ask let me know.

Ray

Hi Greg

You were asking a particular question about how your Great Grandfather suddenly went from a House Painter in 1871 to owning tons of properties in Islington and in the 1881 Census he is a Gentleman with loads of ackers!  His wife by then had left him for a Charles Maple with whom she had more children so you have even more relatives.

If you have read through the posts here one can only speculate as to where all this money came from.  His father, George Barron, became a Police Superintendent, after which in the 1871 he is retired and listed as being a Shipowner.  We also know from newspaper advertising that George Barron gave mortgages to people to buy properties.

So John Lancelot Crozier is George's only son - he had no other children.  We know for sure that John was George's son because in the early 1850s he is living with his uncle Anthony Forster Barron, George's younger brother and this is confirmed by newspaper reports when John along with his uncle and aunt were arrested and charged with stealing.  John said that Anthony was his uncle.

John and his Uncle were found not guilty but his aunt, Anthony Forster Barron's wife was imprisoned with hard labour?

So the question is, when George Barron died how much did he leave and to whom did he leave it?  There was very little in the Will which was left to his wife.  We may wonder where did his 'real' money go?  Supposedly he was a shipowner and a person offering mortgages to people to purchase properties.  Might this, as I surmise, been given to his son John for them both to prosper at some time in the future, who knows for sure?

Jessie Prudence - Her husband and eldest son, both named Edward Robert, disappear from our lives after the 1901 Census although Senior is mentioned in Electoral lists until about 1902.  In the 1911 Census Jessie writes - against her sons name, 'abroad'.  Have searched forever for them both but have not been able to find them.  Suspect they may have gone to South America as Edward Robert senior was a butcher.  If you are willing to accept this assignment, your job is to find out what actually happened to them! 

Hope all is well and your father is okay.  We did speak to mum a little while ago.

All best wishes R & E

Hi Greg

Just got notification that you contacted this Roots Chat.  Have been here for a few years now and have learnt a lot about your Barron family.  As you are probably aware - you are really a Barron and NOT a Crozier - Patrick who created this chat knows a great deal about the Barrons.

I would suggest that you go right back to the beginning and read all the posts - by the way I am Ray - Ray from Rustington - Edward and Ray - Edward's your cousin.  If you want I can help you quite a lot as have been doing this for several years.  If you read through the posts you will learn quite a lot about the Crozier/Barron family.

I used John Lancelot Barron as a username as he never seemed to use it again after his marriage.

Take care

Ray x

Hi everyone

Read posts with interest.

Have lived in Pigeonhouse Lane, Rustington for 24 years.  Was originally from London.  Understand that during WW1 an Aerodrome was built when USA joined the war in 1917.  It stretched from Ash Lane to the West to Pigeonhouse Lane in the East.  It wasn't totally finished when war finished in 1918 and various buildings, such as the hangars, were dismantled, moved to nearby places and used for other things.

During WW2 the Canadians were posted here.  Pigeonhouse House Lane is made of reinforced concrete - I understand to be able to cope with very heavy vehicles.  I have also been told that a runway was built directly to the West of Pigeonhouse Lane but unsure about this.

Just wondered if anyone had any info to add?

Regards