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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Thursday 28 January 16 17:25 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rudolph

Many thanks for the information. Having looked at the area on Google Earth it makes sense with the details my dad remembered. The man in charge of the farm was as far as my dad could remember Wilhelm Delenska and my dad though he was German though he spoke Polish as well. Dad though the farm was called Ubbers or Hubers though he wasn't sure and the spelling is just my attempt at how he pronounced it. My dad remembered a stream running through the land that formed the farm. I wonder if you live in this area of Poland and if any of this or the photo attached to my previous posting prompted any ideas of the farms exact location. Thank you once again for the information it has really given me some inspiration to locate the farm if possible.

David

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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Wednesday 27 January 16 18:12 GMT (UK)  »
Here is the register. Incidentally I do have a full copy if anyone wants a camp looked up.

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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Wednesday 27 January 16 18:06 GMT (UK)  »
Last night I managed to attach to a message tonight I can't so I am attaching to this posting the photo of the camp and to the next posting the register

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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Wednesday 27 January 16 17:42 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Rudolph
I have no idea of the exact location of work camp 299 but I do have a photograph of the farm taken by a local man and given to my dad a copy of which is attached. The location of Wesseln
I learned from 2 sources one is a Red Cross reference to Forsthaus Wesseln in the National Archives and the other is from a copy of Visits made to the camps by the Chief British Man of Confidence and the Protecting Power Delegate, a copy of the relevant entry is also attached. Most of the names that are on the list have changed since WW2 so I am educated guessing Lelkowo. As you will see from the attachment the register is entitled Sunday Visits but 18th March 1943 was a Thursday. I assume that the visits made on the same day would be in a fairly confined area given wartime travel difficulties and Lelkowo is approx. 50km from Elbing and the other locations around 15km-20km from Elbing. The Wesseln you mentioned as being close to Elbing seems more likely. I know my dad was injured whilst on forestry work and was taken to a local hospital and seen by a German military doctor so I think it might have been close to a town as opposed to Lelkowo which even today is fairly rural judging by Google maps. If you have an accurate location of the farm you mention I would be grateful for any information.

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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Tuesday 26 January 16 19:44 GMT (UK)  »
Hi Michael
I am by no means an expert on this subject but like you I started from my dad telling me very little of his POW experiences apart from the more humorous bits. If you live within travelling distance of the National Archives at Kew you could look to see if he completed a questionnaire regarding his captivity. Thousands of men did but many, like my dad put down very scant facts as I am sure they just wanted to put the whole matter to the back of their minds. I managed to get my dads POW record from the Red Cross in Geneva and that listed his movements around various camps before ending up at one of XXB's numerous work camps. I have some photos that show his work camp was No 299 and it was located at Wesseln which I believe is now known as Lelkowo in Poland.

If you have any photos that were posted to your granddad when he was a POW then these may well have a camp number on the back. If none of this is available then the Red Cross in Geneva is your best hope but I am not sure if its free even to Next of Kin. I have found his attestation record, which I have attached, but I am unsure of the various entries in the RH column. My dads say he was posted to S/L Regt 19-1-1942 but he was already a POW and had been since 20-5-1940.

Best of luck


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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Thursday 17 December 15 15:37 GMT (UK)  »
Hi greenrig

I would love to see any photos you take of XXb. Perhaps you could post them on this site or if not let us know when you have returned and distribute them by email to those who would like them

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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Monday 16 November 15 18:43 GMT (UK)  »
Hi do you know if your F I L was posted to a workcamp (there were dozens of them). You could try looking on Wartime Memories as they have loads of postings about all POW camps. Pegasus Archive have a large collection of camp photographs. Unfortunately there are so few left who were there it is difficult to be certain. Do you know when or where he was captured. There were a lot of DLI prisoners taken as France fell and judging by his POW number he was a relatively early capture.

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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Tuesday 21 April 15 19:01 BST (UK)  »
Carol

Look closely at the number you quopte is 68243 but given that it is usually just a number
overprinted photographically on the photo could it be GB243. I say this as most of the photos
 I have seen of this type have a GB at the start of the number.


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World War Two / Re: POW in Stalag XXB - advice please
« on: Tuesday 07 October 14 16:49 BST (UK)  »
As you will see from my previous post I am far from being an expert on this.  I don't think the GB number has any relationship to the work camp the prisoners were allocated to. As previously mentioned my dad was at work camp 299 an outpost of the main Stalag XXb at Marienburg(now Malbork) but his photo has a GB 328 number. If anyone has found a way of tracing these numbers to a location I would love to know.
I have recently discovered a reference to work camp 299 of Stalag XXb as being at Forsthaus Wesseln and some kind of reference to an entry in the records at NA for March 1943.
There are only two Wesseln's that I can find, one is in Germany at the base of the Danish peninsular and the other is close to Hannover. Both of these are more than 200km frm Marienburg so I think it may be another of those places that have undergone a name change. I have a photo of the the farm house that was the base of 299 but absolutely no clue as to the location. If anyone can shed any light on this I would be extremely grateful

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