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This was the first article I read but since reading newspaper reports, advertisements, shipping notices and court documents, I believe it contains a few inaccuracies.

Charlotte died on 29 July and her funeral was on 1 August.

One shipping report shows Captain and Mrs Jarvey and 7 children arriving in Tasmania aboard the Brig Jane, not 5 as mentioned in this article. And the farm on the Huon was still owned by William at the time of his wife's death and advertised for sale in December of that year.

It is quite possible that Sophia did go to New Zealand with the family and that 8 children were on the Jane.

I think that the information regarding the death of 3 children on 10 August 1864 was probably taken from the cemetery records. The Southern Heritage Trust has said it will try and find someone who can answer the question of whether there were two or three children buried and if the third was Charlotte Jane or Sophia.

 

Just a note.

At WA Snr's trial his daughter Elizabeth was asked if Andrew 13 was the eldest boy. She replied that "The eldest boy at home." Of the births we know of, the eldest not at home would be William James (b. 1848) and confirm that he was still alive in 1865 and had left home before the family went to New Zealand.

She also confirmed that her little sister, though not giving a name, was 3 years old. Presumably Katie born in 1861 (possibly named after her sister Catherine born and died 1860).

She said that Frank was the youngest son still living and was about 8, and England about 11.

This tidies up a few loose ends but still doesn't help with the link between William Andrew Jnr (b. abt 1851 according to 1881 census) and the rest of the family.

Still looking!!

Also still trying to find details of the marriage between a William James Jarvey and Priscilla Bishop in 1871 as I can't find either family at that time, the only reference being the marriage record.

 

Hi everyone

Marriage between William James Jarvey and Priscilla Bishop, St James, Bermondsey, London, 9 Oct 1871. Father William Andrew Jarvey DD. I think DD means Doctor of Divinity so I only saved this to my shoebox as not certain it was ours. But as William was a mariner it could be right. I haven't been able to find a reference to William James since his birth.

When the Jarvey homestead at Huon Valley was destroyed by fire in November 1858, William, Catherine and all 7 children were rescued, which would have included William James. Sophia, Catherine and Katie would not have been born by then. Again, adding up numbers, William James either died or left home before 1964 when they went to NZ.

The references to England Shaw are interesting. England is an unusual first name and he may have reverted to his mother's maiden name after the notoriety of the trial.

I think Dundee has got all the 7 children in NZ right, I had just caught up with the reference to Katie in one of the reports of Elizabeth's satements at the trial, I had previously thought the youngest daughter might be Sophia as I had found no record of her death prior to 1864. But obviously its Katie (possibly christened Catherine).

Still trying to find the proof that my great grandfather, William Andrew Jarvey (1853-?) was the son of William Andrew Jarvey (1823-1865) and Catherine Jane Shaw. The theory that a son with the same name as his father would be known by his second name at home, i.e. Andrew, was leading to the premis that Andrew and William Andrew were the same person. This fails with the article that Andrew drowned when the Lambard sank in 1866 on which he was a cabin boy. I am trying to find proof that he was actually on board that day, again on the assumption that newspaper reports are not always accurate in the hope that he lived past 1866.

One possible clue is the similarity between the some of the names of WA Jnr's children. Catherine Jane, his mother's name, James England, Frank, William Henry, John Thomas.

And who was the William Andrew Jarvey up before the magistrate in 1974?

Well done with what you have found so far.

Lynda   

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Thanks for the article showing 7 children going to NZ, this now makes the numbers add up, literally!

Thanks.

Hi Ros

My original thought had been that William James (b. 1848) would have been about 15 when his parents went to New Zealand and may have stayed behind. This assumed that he was still alive at that time.

Your theory about William Andrew Jnr being called by his second name and being the Andrew (b. 1852) who went to New Zealand seems very possible. It also matches the birth year much better with the 1853 shown for WA Jnr in the England 1881 census. The way his name was given in the reports for his charge and conviction for stealing money in 1874 also seemed to point that way.

Andrew, son of WA Snr was before the Magistrate in November 1866 for theft on board the vessel where he was cabin boy.

I was getting quite excited up to the point when I read your last message stating that Andrew had drowned when the Lombard was lost in 1867. The only way he can now be connected to our William Andrew Jnr married in Scotland, is if he survived the wreck, although the newspaper report says he didn't.

On step forward, two steps back it seems!!

No, I don't have a copy of Catherine's death certificate, but I think I have worked out the names of the children who were in New Zealand at the time of her death.

Thanks for your help.

Regards.
Lynda