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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 08:27 BST (UK) »
I’m thinking a stillbirth could be a possibility.
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 08:22 BST (UK) »
Yes thanks we’ve spent hours on it year by year covering Carmichael and Yates I’ve done over 20 years 1880 to 1900
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LW
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Harriet Yates Nee Carmichael
« on: Tuesday 10 September 19 07:15 BST (UK) »
Hi I’m the posters cousin and we are trying to solve this together. On census 1911james is mentioned as son but he is her grandson. We have birth death and burial records for James born 1910 and he is the actually the son of her Annie Elizabeth. He is Harriets grandson. This census is where it was discovered she had had 8 children. We knew Harriet, Annie, James, Frances and Gertude along with Elsie born and died premarriage. Giving us 3 living and 3 passed away. Today I’ve ordered the birth and death for William Henry found above. My grandmother was Frances Ellen third born daughter.
I’m wondering if a child is stillborn is the child registered as both birth and death or only as death?
Regards
Lw
I’m wondering if a child is stillborn is the child registered as both birth and death or only as death?
Regards
Lw
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Missing marriage
« on: Tuesday 16 September 14 11:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Wendy,
Your help has been invaluable, you are truly dedicated and committed to this role. I will continue to search at this end for Annie Elizabeth and find the end to this amazing story.
By the earlier post re Harriet (mother) living elsewhere, does/did that entry infer she had other children beyond the 4 I know about? If not able to reply I understand.
Cheers from Aus.
Lorraine
Your help has been invaluable, you are truly dedicated and committed to this role. I will continue to search at this end for Annie Elizabeth and find the end to this amazing story.
By the earlier post re Harriet (mother) living elsewhere, does/did that entry infer she had other children beyond the 4 I know about? If not able to reply I understand.
Cheers from Aus.
Lorraine
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Missing marriage
« on: Tuesday 16 September 14 01:15 BST (UK) »
Thank you bendywendy for all your help, you have certainly been an amazing help with our ancestry in UK. We often feel so far away in the land of Oz. You are one of those special people who make a difference in people's lives. These past 4 days have been a revelation in my family tree. I also know from the searches I have done based on your information that I have living relatives in UK, something I never imagined. While I search as a beginner your expertise is so appreciated. Cheers Lorraine 
I also realise as a newcomer to RootsChat that I may have been better to start a new chat so that I was the original poster but the coincidence of names in the original of this forum was too hard to overlook and in fact turned out to be real.
I also realise as a newcomer to RootsChat that I may have been better to start a new chat so that I was the original poster but the coincidence of names in the original of this forum was too hard to overlook and in fact turned out to be real.
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Missing marriage....Yates family
« on: Monday 15 September 14 03:26 BST (UK) »
Hi Bendy Wendy,
Hope you got to sleep.😀 That was very interesting reading. I am plotting all the details dates and names today and putting the picture together with all the details I now have. Many thanks.
The mystery of Annie's death still remains ...no records in Australia in either Ernish or Smith. I can understand that she may have come to Australia in 1939 as both remaining children were married and her husband dead. She would have wanted to try to see her sister. Very interesting that one of the children who died was called Frances E so it is likely she was close to her sister.
I certainly have to plan a trip soon to UK. We were there in 1980 but without this knowledge.
I also hope for a reply from Ancestry family tree.
Cheers
Lorraine
Hope you got to sleep.😀 That was very interesting reading. I am plotting all the details dates and names today and putting the picture together with all the details I now have. Many thanks.
The mystery of Annie's death still remains ...no records in Australia in either Ernish or Smith. I can understand that she may have come to Australia in 1939 as both remaining children were married and her husband dead. She would have wanted to try to see her sister. Very interesting that one of the children who died was called Frances E so it is likely she was close to her sister.
I certainly have to plan a trip soon to UK. We were there in 1980 but without this knowledge.
I also hope for a reply from Ancestry family tree.
Cheers
Lorraine
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Missing marriage...Yates
« on: Sunday 14 September 14 09:29 BST (UK) »
Hi again bendywendy,
I have completed the search as you instructed for the 3 daughters and have their names.
I guess the only way to verify if Ellen is Frances's daughter is to get Ellen's birth certificate?
Cheers
Lorraine
I have completed the search as you instructed for the 3 daughters and have their names.
I guess the only way to verify if Ellen is Frances's daughter is to get Ellen's birth certificate?
Cheers
Lorraine
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Missing marriage......Yates link
« on: Sunday 14 September 14 01:15 BST (UK) »
Hi BendyWendy
This is a great help, thank you so much. Certainly has given me a lot to think about and go on. I always thought there must have been a reason Frances came to Australia in 1914. I am believing now she came alone. I have not been able to find any record of her arrival in Australia so I will next go to the Archives department here and check Yates. Do your records show the name of the ship she sailed on?
Possibly the story about coming with a sister was a fabrication and she came alone. It is a very sad story, but I realise from this I have a connection with living relatives in UK. Will think about what to do about this for a while. It is very possible Ellen never knew about her mother and these living relatives have no idea about their real grandmother ( the grandmother we share). As I am 63 they are older, so it is a very sensitive matter. I have spent time on google maps finding various places you have given me.
Frances, known by all as Nellie, spent 5 years as a house servant (hard work in early 1900 Australia) on country properties and then married my grandfather in 1919 and my dad was born in 1920. They had 3 other children and she lived to be 88. I knew her very well.
Do your records show her mother as having a middle name? I thought Carmichael (which I had on documents) was her maiden name. Also thought her mother was Harriet Jane and I note daughter had same name.
Is there any record of what became of Annie Elizabeth - I was told by my mother that Annie married twice?? With possible surnames of Eanish? and Smith??? writing hard to read.
Frances had some little In Memorium cards among her things, sent to her by the Vicar of St Marks Church in Hull. The following died on these dates according to the cards.
* Robert William Yates - 2nd Feb 1927
*Harriet Yates 21 January 1933 hard to reda this one
* Harriet Jackson 14 March 1930
*Henry Eanish? 22 May 1929 maybe Annie's first husband
They are all buried in the cemetery at Hull on Hedon road which I believe now is still there from my new research.
Thank you again, certainly lots to look into.
My interest also is to find out the generation before Robert and Harriet...my great great grandparents.
Sincere regards
Lorraine
This is a great help, thank you so much. Certainly has given me a lot to think about and go on. I always thought there must have been a reason Frances came to Australia in 1914. I am believing now she came alone. I have not been able to find any record of her arrival in Australia so I will next go to the Archives department here and check Yates. Do your records show the name of the ship she sailed on?
Possibly the story about coming with a sister was a fabrication and she came alone. It is a very sad story, but I realise from this I have a connection with living relatives in UK. Will think about what to do about this for a while. It is very possible Ellen never knew about her mother and these living relatives have no idea about their real grandmother ( the grandmother we share). As I am 63 they are older, so it is a very sensitive matter. I have spent time on google maps finding various places you have given me.
Frances, known by all as Nellie, spent 5 years as a house servant (hard work in early 1900 Australia) on country properties and then married my grandfather in 1919 and my dad was born in 1920. They had 3 other children and she lived to be 88. I knew her very well.
Do your records show her mother as having a middle name? I thought Carmichael (which I had on documents) was her maiden name. Also thought her mother was Harriet Jane and I note daughter had same name.
Is there any record of what became of Annie Elizabeth - I was told by my mother that Annie married twice?? With possible surnames of Eanish? and Smith??? writing hard to read.
Frances had some little In Memorium cards among her things, sent to her by the Vicar of St Marks Church in Hull. The following died on these dates according to the cards.
* Robert William Yates - 2nd Feb 1927
*Harriet Yates 21 January 1933 hard to reda this one
* Harriet Jackson 14 March 1930
*Henry Eanish? 22 May 1929 maybe Annie's first husband
They are all buried in the cemetery at Hull on Hedon road which I believe now is still there from my new research.
Thank you again, certainly lots to look into.
My interest also is to find out the generation before Robert and Harriet...my great great grandparents.
Sincere regards
Lorraine
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Yorkshire (East Riding & York) / Re: Missing marriage
« on: Saturday 13 September 14 09:17 BST (UK) »
Hi From Australia, I found this post when I was looking for any information on my Great grandparents - Robert William Yates and Harriet Jane Yates who lived and died in Hull. One of their daughters and My Grandmother was Frances Ellen Yates who had a sister Annie Elizabeth Yates. So it is possible there is a link. My grandmother left Hull during world war 1 and came to Australia with another sister. I cant find her sisters name. Her parents died in Hull...Robert in 1927 and Harriet in 1933 and both are buried in the cemetery in hull. If the cemetery still exists. I am aware that St Marks was bombed and demolished. i am trying to find out more about Robert and Harriet and hope to get to Hull. if Annie is a relative of yours we may also be related. Looking forward to linking. Lorraine
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