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South Africa / Re: Why was Regina Mary in South Africa?
« on: Wednesday 25 October 17 02:10 BST (UK)  »
So I've now been able to determine that the person behind these inquiries about my grandmother and my great grandmother is in fact (*). (*)is my second cousin 1 x removed. I would like it to be known that I in fact initiated contact with (*) in May 2016 with information about our shared great grandmother and my message to her was offering to share information with her. I never received a response from her. I nevertheless followed up with another polite and informative message in Oct. 2016 with more information about George (was Bell) Burgess.  Again, I received no response. Now I find this thread which is clearly in response to my messages to said (*) and which led to someone named (*) (Greensleeves) asking (*) (Groom) to help her to find out why my great grandmother went to South Africa. If (*) wants to contact me, I'm open to being contacted.




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South Africa / Re: Why was Regina Mary in South Africa?
« on: Monday 25 September 17 12:05 BST (UK)  »
I would like to know who the friend of the friend is and how they are related to my grandmother and great grandmother. If they are related to me, I would consider sharing what I know to be true with them privately. I would also like to let you know that I am quite frankly shocked at some of the speculation that has gone on on this thread. If you put yourself in my shoes for one minute and think about how it would feel to have total strangers speculating about YOUR grandmother's legitimacy, I am sure you will understand how I feel.

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South Africa / Re: Why was Regina Mary in South Africa?
« on: Monday 25 September 17 04:31 BST (UK)  »
Elsie Maud (nee Burgess) Worton is my grandmother. Regina Mary Spurway Bell Neilson Burgess Hopewell is my great grandmother. May I ask what is your relationship to Elsie and Regina?

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Nottingham Borough Asylum
« on: Saturday 05 September 15 01:05 BST (UK)  »
Dear Nottsgirl1,
Thank you so much for all of your work to locate records for Zaccheus Worton. I don't know how to thank you enough, you are so wonderful. You have given me all of these references to use when contacting the Nottingham Archives to request access to records. At the very least, one more year and a part of the record will be available. I've learned in the 11 years that I've been chipping away at my family history that patience is its own reward! Again, thank you so much for your assistance. You have been of immeasurable help.
WarBrideDaughter.

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Nottingham Borough Asylum
« on: Friday 04 September 15 17:43 BST (UK)  »
Thank you garibaldired. That might be a possibility in my case. Will see.
WarBrideDaughter

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Nottingham Borough Asylum
« on: Friday 04 September 15 15:07 BST (UK)  »
Thank you to both chempat and nottsgirl1 for the welcome to rootschat and such quick responses to my query. :)

Thank you chempat for the link to the history of the asylum. It is very interesting reading, and somewhat reassuring re: the conditions and amenities there. I find it rather astonishing that it became so overcrowded so quickly, however I guess it served a large area. I haven't yet located the Nottingham Borough Asylum in the 1911 census but will try again at the library, and include variations of his name, which was often mistranscribed over the census years.

Thank you nottsgirl1 for your very kind offer to check at the Nottingham Archives. I forgot about the 100 year rule of course, but, as you say there may be something from his 1902 (patient #313437) or 1906 (patient #18965) admissions. Fingers crossed. I just find it so sad that he spent the last 20 years of his life there.  :'(

Again, thank you so much for your help.

WarBrideDaughter

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Nottinghamshire / Re: Nottingham Borough Asylum
« on: Friday 04 September 15 00:52 BST (UK)  »
Hello, I am researching my Worton roots and only recently discovered (through the UK Lunacy Patients Admission Registers on Ancestry.co.uk) that my great grand uncle, Zaccheus Worton, born 1871 Arnold, Nottingham, was admitted 3 times to the Nottingham Borough Asylum. The first two admissions (7 May 1902 and 7 Jan. 1906) he was discharged about 6 months later. However the record for his admission on 15 June 1907 indicates that he died there 20 years later, 22 Nov. 1927. I was shocked to learn this. Before this series of admissions he worked as a joiner, probably with his father, Zaccheus Worton. He never married and still lived at home in the 1901 census. In the admission entry it states "M Pauper" which I take to mean Male, Pauper. I would like to know the circumstances of his admission to the asylum, would it have been a workhouse for the poor, or was there some medical condition? I haven't been able to find a census entry for him in the 1911 census. Were the residents of the asylum not enumerated? Any suggestions would be most gratefully received. I live in Ottawa, Canada. I asked my mother about this but she had no knowledge of this, clearly it was never spoken of in her family.

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