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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Adam Lodge passengers to Australia 1837
« on: Thursday 26 November 15 23:22 GMT (UK)  »
The shipping list supplied by surgeon Alick Osborne to the Colonial Architect in 1837 I found at the Rocks in 1983 lists as follows:
Family number 37, McAlroy, Matthew. Age 30 from Tyrone. Catholic religion can both read and write, Conduct on board good and no relatives in Australia. He is a cooper. Now a rather strange entry-the two pounds deposit has not been returned to him but probably an omission of sureon as he claimed all passengers had deposit returned in Sydney.His wife Alice and three children, all females listed against her entry but no notes regarding beaviour, education etc. This list should be available but because it was not found until 1983 unlike most of the other list, it appears to have escaped the wide dissemination to other sources like the other passenger lists

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Adam Lodge passengers to Australia 1837
« on: Thursday 26 November 15 08:07 GMT (UK)  »
Once again, thank you for your reply. I must confess to confusion on little Matthew McElroy aged 1 year and 6 months at 4 am on July 13th The reason for the discrepancy in the names (I said John, the Surgeon Osborne listed him in his returns as John and of course he is named Matthew in Osborne's Journal of Occurrences.
The reason I have collected my information was that I started researching the Adam Lodge passengers back in 1980. At that time no list of passengers existed as confirmed by Madgewick in "Immigration into Eastern Australia". No internet so all information was gleaned via hard slog in Tamworth and my paucity of information is there to see. A chance discovery of a passenger list at the Rocks in the Quarantine Papers in 1983 lifted a great deal of the mystery on the ship's passengers.
However, the list was not complete. Missing from the list was the names of about 160 children and 20 single females which I am still pursuing today. At present i have the names of all but about 12 of the children and am missing about the same nuumber of single girls. I have a researcher looking for the list of passengers sent to England just before the ship sailed. Keep your fingers crossed because if it is found, it will be complete


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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Adam Lodge passengers to Australia 1837
« on: Wednesday 25 November 15 22:11 GMT (UK)  »
Thank you for reply on 23rd November. At present, the story on McElroy is as follows:
Matthew, a cooper, born 1800 and his wife Alice both Catholics from County Tyrone arrived on the Adam Lodge with their three female children in Sydney in 1837. The children on arrival were most likely Sarah, born 1833 died Cumberland 1861 aged 28 yrs ; and maybe Margaret who married John Crenaga in 1863 and either June, Bridget or Mary who had marriages to Henry Buck 1864; John Gillies in Sydney 1875 and William Thompson at Armidale in 1866 respectively .
Matthew McIlroy had a house in Surry Hills in 1842
Alice, the mother died 1873 at age 74  in Sydney; Matthew the father died 1878 in Paddington in 1878.
Two sons, John baptised 1841 and Charles born 1843 were born in Sydney and on the voyage out, John, a son, died  on July 13th aged 1 year and 6 months   
 

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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup please: MARGARET BURKE 1843, NuL
« on: Monday 12 January 15 10:20 GMT (UK)  »
On reading the Luke/Margaret story again, I realise that this relates to the UK. I am amazed at the similarities of the two families. Newcastle (Australia) makes sense and my Burkes also have Patrick , Michael and Thomas but my Michael must have been born here in Australia after 1837 which makes the marriage date 1851 out of the question. I am sorry if I became confused but there are so many similarities (except of course the beatings my Luke dished out to Margaret). I hope that I haven't distracted you from your quest for knowledge. Also, our census records do not list childrens names and were destroyed between 1843 and 1890. Good luck with your searches. 

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Australia / Re: Londonderry Sentinel & other old Derry newspapers
« on: Sunday 07 December 14 09:26 GMT (UK)  »
The Londonderry Sentinel (sp?) 1828-1840 and Londonderry Journal (similar years) are available at the Tamworth Family History Room on microfilm in North Street Tamworth. I bought them from PRO London in about 1988 and loaned them to this group recently. I don't think they would allow them to leave their rooms.

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Australia / Re: James THORPE - arrival in Australia
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 23:55 BST (UK)  »
I forgot to list where this iformation came from. It was a reply I received from Anne Buckingham
davisa@netcon.net.au on my wordpress  brianboggs's weblog about the unnamed passengers on the Adam Lodge of 1837.
I think that all the information on John Thorpe I have gleaned from NSW BDM's and you would have it but this is what I have:-
From the Adam Lodge's list made up by Alick Osborne (Surgeon), he is listed as a stone cutter from Donegal age 22 with wife Jane and 1 male and 4 female children. Protestant religion.

Now through other people's research (and I cannot name the people at this time) John was born 1823, Mary's birth death was 1826-1879; Rebecca born 1829, Catherine 1832-1900, Elizabeth 1835-1911. There isprobate for a John Thorpe 8/9/65 at Pyrmont and in 1841 census return 67 John Thorpe has residence at Lane Cove Willoughby , (but number of persons is 2 (No X950)147)
From BDM's deaths
 John Thorpe:-
1846 age 32 C of E Sydney St James
1853 Infant C of E Willoughby
1856 Died Newcaastle
 1864 Parents Jane and Thomas Sydney
1879 Age 50 Grafton
There may have been others for John
Jane Thorpe parents Sam and Ebenezer in 1877

Now I am putting together the stories of the passengers on this ship and would greatly appreciate any story about the Thorpe family you could provide. So far, I have in excess of twenty of the 83 families on the ship.

My family namesakes together with nine children came out on this ship and settled in Maitland viz:- John, Mary (parents) Nancy, Robert, Isabella, Eliza, William, Sam, Thomas, Rebecca and one female I have frustratingly been unable to find (probably born about 1830 and died before John's death in 1868) 
I have been researching for some thirty years and the explosion of information onto the internet has assisted me greatly in recent years   

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Australia / Re: James THORPE - arrival in Australia
« on: Thursday 25 September 14 14:07 BST (UK)  »
Submitted on 2013/04/17 at 1:43 am
Hi Brian,

There was a family on the Adam Lodge – family number 73 – of John and Jane Thorpe and their 5 children. Their 5 children were John Thorpe (c1823-), Mary Thorpe (c1826-1879), Rebecca Thorpe (c1829-), Catherine Thorpe (1832-1900), and Elizabeth Thorpe (1835-1911).

The father of this family was a stonemason, but his name was actually James Thorpe. He was 34 years old. He had a single younger brother, also a stonemason, by the name of John who was 32 years old. It appears that James travelled under the name of his brother and gave his brother’s age to be able to comply with the extended regulations to allow married men to be accepted if their age was within one to two years of the 30 year cut-off.

A descendant of James Thorpe later had a child with a descendant of John Boggs. Their child is the 4xgreat-grandson of both men.


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Staffordshire Lookup Requests / Re: Lookup please: MARGARET BURKE 1843, NuL
« on: Saturday 20 September 14 02:03 BST (UK)  »
A Luke and Margaret Burke arrived on the Adam Lodge with 2 males and 3 females (all unnamed) from Londonderry in 1837.
My research has tracked down that Margaret died in 1845 at the age of 30. Luke was 32 in 1837. He remarried to Ann Wiley in 1859 in Shoalhaven district. I have tentatively put names of Patrick (d1860) with parents Luke and Margaret and Michael as the two possible boys.
The females have presented me with much the same conundrum as with the other unnamed children on the ship. Changed names when they married and hence searching for their death date impossible. Marriages are a possibility if I restrict the date range but the commonality of the name Burke makes finding any information very difficult. You present me with possibilities but...... many unknowns. I wish you luck with your search andhope that I may have helped

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Adam Lodge passengers to Australia 1837
« on: Sunday 14 September 14 04:17 BST (UK)  »
More on the Adam Lodge passengers:-
I am going to list more of the unknown children and passengers:-
1) David and Margaret Cameron from Belfast, he a carpenter and died September, 1837. She remarried George Murray 1831. An unknown female Protestant religion.
2) Henry (b1813) and Julia (b1813)  Callen from Donegal, he a stone mason; One male and one female unknown, Children born here ? George 1844. Mary Anne 1852 
3) Charles (b1807) and Rose Meehan, he a Stone Mason. A female unknown, Catholic religion
Wollongong area? Protestant religion
4) James (b1813) and Mary Kildea  from Donegal , he a blacksmith. Female born on ship 17th May 1837. Catholic religion
That is enough for this time

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