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Hi bmint
My Grandmother was Mary Jane (Minnie) Carter the daughter of William Carter (and brother to your Arthur Carter).  She married Charles (Pat) O'Hanlon.
My mother Mary Colgan (nee O'Hanlon) knew Gladys Carter and has a photo of her at her wedding. She tells me she was married to a Mr Derbyshire and then remarried a Reg McDonald when he died and she had three children Alma, Dorothy (who is about mum's age) and a boy but she can't remember his name.  She said her family used to visit quite regularly in the early days.  She thinks a relation of Gladys lives in Waiuku but is unsure who.  We live in Pukekohe.  Is this your family?
Would be great to get in touch if it is!
Mary Jane

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Hi
Thanks so much for your assistance in trying to find my Arthur Carter. 
I do find the Parish and district system in England really hard to follow.  Here are some extra bits and pieces that I have picked up along the way.

When he joined the Militia in New Zealand in 1864 it stated that he has born at St Pauls, Birmingham, Warwickshire (about 1845) and is a Protestant - see below from 4th Waikato Regiment Nominal & Descriptive Roll
His death certificate states that his fathers name was Arthur and mother Charlotte, however, his father was presumably a butcher in England and the Thomas (father) in the 1861 census was a butcher.
Arthurs 1915 Death Certificate sates he was 73 years (therefore born 1842)
Arthurs Marriage Certificate in 1867 (in NZ) states he was 22 years (therefore born 1845) and
the Arthur in the 1861 Census is born about 1849!! 
 
Arthurs death certificate states his name was Arthur Felix (although the Felix looks as though it’s been written in later as in smaller print) and also states he was born in Tasmania (Australia), however, his Militia records disprove this and Tasmanian BMD records also have no record of him as been born in Tasmania.  There is no record of the Coventry Arthur Carter (or his parents or any of his siblings) from the 1861 Census on the 1871 Census which would tie in with the family leaving England to go to Tasmania or somewhere in Australia (I have no record of the rest of the family coming to NZ at this stage).  However, I have since traced this Arthur Carter to Canada. As Gail points out all my Arthur Carters childrens name tie in so well with this family!

I don't have a correct birth date just what I have calculated approx from death/marriage certs and militia records.
I have seen the Ancestry tree stating Arthur son of Samuel & Jane but again this Arthur can be traced through later census records in England so can't be correct and I have tried contacting the owner of that family tree but no success.
I wasn't worried when I found the fathers name Thomas when I found the Arthur on the 1851 and 1861 census as I also thought informant could have the name wrong especially as he was a butcher and the wife was Charlotte - why did this lot move to Canada!! or I would have my mystery solved!!

Would Arthur have stated he was born in Warwickshire on his militia records if he wasn't? The person filling out his death cert might not have know where he was born but knew he lived in Tasmania.  A man in NZ who researches "Fencible" soldiers states that Arthur was the son of a Fencible - which could be why they were in Tasmania as the father was military.  Perhaps his father/mother were born in Warwickshire and that's why he says he was??

Carter
Arthur

25 Sept 1866
Hamilton

St. Pauls
Birmingham

Butcher
21  5ft 6in

Bella Mary
S

cheers
Mary Jane

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I am trying to find birth records for my Arthur Carter, born 1845 Parish of St Paul, Warwickshire, Birmingham.  Death certificate states father was also Arthur and was a Butcher and mothers name was Charlotte (no maiden name).  He came to NZ in 1866.  His death cert states he was born in Tasmania (however 4th Waikato Militia records disprove this) but it means he must have spent some time in Tasmania. (He married a Margaret O'Connor in NZ in 1867).
There is an Arthur Carter on the 1851 and 1861 census in Warwickshire born in 1845 with a father Thomas (Butcher) and mother named Charlotte and I thought this would definately be him as they do not appear on any further census records and I thought perfect it means they have gone to Tasmania or NZ as a family, however, this family went to Canada and this Arthur Carter married and died there!!
So I am still looking and am not having much success at tracing him at all.
Any suggestions of where else I could look
Thanks!

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: O'Hanlon Family in NZ *COMPLETED*
« on: Wednesday 03 September 14 01:54 BST (UK)  »
Hi
I didn't query as to why you are writing about CP O'Hanlon - is it just because he owned the Hotels and you are writing about them generally or are you writing about CP O'Hanlon?
Some of the HOtels he had were:  Empire Hotel; Brighton Hotel, Kai Iwi; new hotel on Taupo Quey; Pier Hotel; Hotel Keeper Karangahape Road, Auckland.
I have some articles about these so hopefully will be able to scan them to you, however you may already have them.
His ex-wife Rose O'Hanlon was also a hotel keeper - Railway Hotel, Hawera
From the info I have gathered he seems a rather "colourful" character!

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: O'Hanlon Family in NZ *COMPLETED*
« on: Wednesday 03 September 14 01:49 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shikyna
Unfortunately don't have any photos of CP O'Hanlon but do have a timeline of his running and owning hotels in Wanganui/Auckland area plus some articles about his pubs - which you may also have.
Have not been able to establish when or why he originally came to NZ - he was the 17th pupil at Wanganui Collegiate School - although I believe this was an industrial school at the time - so he must have come to NZ with his parents.  He married in Melbourne in 1862 and arrived back in NZ in 1863. 
I will send another post and then we may be able to correspond by private email! 

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New Zealand Completed Requests / Re: O'Hanlon Family in NZ *COMPLETED*
« on: Tuesday 02 September 14 04:50 BST (UK)  »
Hi Shikyna
The CP O'Hanlon who ran the hotel in Wanganui is my great great grandfather Charles Patrick O'Hanlon

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