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Thanks, dobfarm, but I'm on Ancestry so already have this information. My query is not so much about John Kilner himself, more about the practice of naming the parents of the deceased and whether this implies that they were single - the deceased, not the parents ;-)

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Thanks to all. Before seeing this record, I'd always assumed that "son of..." applied to males before the age of majority (either 16 or 18 or 21) and after that their parents were not named (whether or not the man was married, though I have seen "married man" in some burial records).

(I'm not sure about females in this context. Mostly they seemed to move from being "daughter of" to "wife of", consistent with the customs of the time. I've even seen "wife of X" without her being given a name - hard to understand from our point of view.)

Back to John Kilner: as one of you suggested, I've now looked at all the burials at St Nicholas', Cumberworth, in the batch that Ancestry gives us. There are only six pages; the earliest burial is on 27 November 1831 and the latest 6 January 1833. I've listed all males aged 21 and over (in order of age, not date). All entries are signed by G.B.Dunn.

PARENTS IDENTIFIED

George Lockwood, 21
Joseph Shaw, 23
Henry Hinchliffe, 25
George Wood, 26
John Kilner, 39

PARENTS NOT IDENTIFIED

William Turton, 47
Joseph Senior, 55
Richard Lodge, 60
Abraham Woodhead, 83

Rev Dunn may have been using a rule that added parents' names for men up to the age of, say, 40, and John Kilner fell just on the right side of the line.

I had wondered if parents were named if they were still alive (so that older men would be less likely to have living parents) but I believe - not entirely sure - that John Kilner's father had died by 1832 so he wouldn't have been named under this rule.

I guess my question is now: has anyone heard of an age other than 16 or 18 or 21 being used as a cut-off in this way? Such ages were usually associated with property laws (age of majority and so on), and I've never heard of 40 being a significant legal age in any other context.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Parents' names on burial for 39-year-old man (Cumberworth 1832)
« on: Wednesday 07 February 24 21:30 GMT (UK)  »
John Kilner was buried at St Nicholas', Cumberworth on 14 October 1832. He is described as "John son of John & Nina Kilner", abode Cumberworth, age 39. I have no doubt as to his identification; I have his baptismal record from 1794.

My question is: does the naming of his parents when he was 39 years old allow me to assume he was unmarried at the time of death? (Most online trees show him as having married Mary Kenworthy in 1815, which I'm reluctant to accept.)

Many thanks.


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Thanks, everyone.

I'm still not sure where "Close" is, but if I go through the Ackworth records and see who else was living there, it might help.

Thanks again.

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I have a marriage at St Cuthbert's, Ackworth, Yorkshire, on 7 (or 9) November 1729. The entry on the Ancestry image appears to read "Abraham Firth & Eliz: Gibson de Close with licence".

I have two questions. First, why were some marriages with licence and others with banns? Second, what could "de Close" possibly mean, if indeed I've read it correctly? (I even considered "Gibson de Close" as a surname, without any luck.)

Many thanks for any suggestions.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Wakefield - Woodside query
« on: Tuesday 14 November 23 05:39 GMT (UK)  »
Marvellous, dobfarm, many thanks.

The map is again from the mid-1850s but you're suggesting that Woodside would have had the same meaning 150 years earlier?

PS: I was born in 1946 in Manygates Nursing Home in Sandal (since demolished) but first lived in Carr Gate which the map shows is very close to Woodside where my ancestors probably lived 250 years earlier. I moved away from Yorkshire at a young age :-( and now live in the US so this is quite a discovery for me.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Wakefield - Woodside query
« on: Monday 13 November 23 19:05 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Arthur. There's a road called Woodside in Wrenthorpe which is next to Outwood and supports your hypothesis.

My problem is that there are other Woodsides in the area and I'm still asking myself: when the records of All Saints, Wakefield say that a person in the very early 1700s is from "Woodside", which one do they mean? (I agree that Outwood is a contender.)

Thanks again.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Wakefield - Woodside query
« on: Monday 13 November 23 15:52 GMT (UK)  »
Thanks, Bumble. I'll give them a try.

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Yorkshire (West Riding) / Re: Wakefield - Woodside query
« on: Monday 13 November 23 14:56 GMT (UK)  »
Yes that's right: by "the first decade of the eighteenth century" I do mean the period between 1700 and 1710. So thanks for your suggestion about maps but the ones you suggest, "from mid 1800s", are about 150 years after my period. Do you know where I can find maps that cover the dates I'm concerned with?

I should perhaps have mentioned that the baptismal records show other names of families resident in Woodside so it's unlikely to have been a single farm, more likely a neighbourhood, perhaps even a village.

Thanks anyway.

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