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I just did a search in The London Gazette and found that Jacques or James Champ mentioned in the advertisement in the Sussex Advertiser was a solicitor in Chichester. He and "Mr. Clark, Solicitor, No. 35 Southampton-Buildings, Cancery-Lane, London" are mentioned together in the announcement (The London Gazette 8th April 1815 No. 17001). This Mr. Clark must be the same person as John Clark. This answers my question. Thank you for your trouble.

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Thanks very much. This is the man whom I am looking for. Unfortunately his occupation of profession isn't mentioned. I couldn't find him the London Gazette. Is there any almanac of addressbook that could help ?

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I am in search of some biographical information on John Clark, who lived or had his chambers in 35 or 39 Southampton Buildings, Chancery Lane, Londen, in 1814. He possibly was a solicitor or notary. Could somebody be of help? Many thanks in advance.

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In 1797 the French royalist and noble emigrant (émigré) marquis Jean Yrieix de Beaupoil de Saint-Aulaire (1745-1832) lived in London before going to Canada in 1798 with the French royalist count Joseph de Puisaye to establish a colony of French aristocrats.
According to De Courcelles, Histoire généalogiques et héraldique (…). Vol. 3, part 1 (Paris 1824) he got married to a certain Marie de Reboul in London on 16th March 1797 “par contrat passé devant notaire” (by notarial act) in attendance of the French aristocrats Charles-Thomas and Gui de Beaupoil de Saint-Aulaire de la Dixmerie, count Joseph de Montaignac and baron Louis Cousinet de Sommervesle.
From this marriage came an only son Dominique-Hyppolyte  de Beaupoil de St Aulaire born in Londen in 1797.
This family went to Canada in 1798 but returned disillusioned, the marquis in 1799, his lady and son in 1802.
Jean Yrieix de Beaupoil de Saint-Aulaire died in Girouard in the French community of Lévis-Saint-Nom (department Yveline) on 4th August 1832. According to the death certificate he was a “marécal de camp honoré” and still married. His widow is called Marie de Reboul de Ganges.
I am in search of exact information of the marriage in London in 1797. If I understand well a marriage at that time had to be performed in a church or chapel and had to be registered in separate registers. Has this marriage been registered somewhere in London?
Has the birth or baptism of the son been registered somewhere?
Any help will be most welcome. Many thanks in advance.

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Good to hear from you again and that you are still interested in the Ravanel complex. No, I have no information on François Antoine Ravanel, the godfather of Jean Louis François Antoine Reynier.

You certainly will know already that Sara Louise Chappius [née Ravanel] was the grandmother of the baptized child and that Antoinette Hofman [née Ravanel] was his great-aunt. I don’t know yet who was Jean Pierre Regnier. Was he his grandfather? It may be, but I am not sure, that Francois Antoine Ravanel was the father of Sara Louise Chappius [née Ravanel] and Antoinette Hofman [née Ravanel]. I jotted down without source that this father died on 9 March 1776.

He was married to a Marie Ravanel, née ??, who was the godmother of Marianne, daughter of François Guillaume Ravanel and Jeanneton (=Johanna Franziska) Roche, baptized in Zweibrücken 6 Jan. 1746.

Probably you will also know already that Jean Louis Ebénezer Reynier (1771-1814) était un général français sous Napoléon: https://hls-dhs-dss.ch/fr/articles/024197/2010-08-27/

Do you know where this Ravanel family came from? I couldn’t find the place of origin.

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I have not found this page in the said book on internet. Unfortunately not all pages are available. The information is quite interesting. On 20 July 25 19:14 BST (UK) PatLac posted this site: https://www.openarchieven.nl/rhe:BED0D8E2-F3AD-4C46-A33A-6E12BC482A8F/en. It is about this deed: https://www.rhc-eindhoven.nl/collectie?mizig=46&miadt=48&miaet=54&micode=NTI-10210-1683&minr=3581134&miview=ldt. It is a procuration dated 11 Oct. 1786 in which Carolina Victoire Ravanel empowers Mr Bouchet de Preville, privy councillor to His Serene Highness the Prince of Zweibrücken, living in Zweibrücken, to represent her as joint heiress of her paternal aunt Mrs Marianne Fisees née Ravanel, who died recently in Darmstadt. As far as I can see the procuration mentioned on p. 341 and the one of 11 Oct. 1786 are the same. See also my reply 20 July 25 20:21 BST (UK).

I found the following in the said book (p. 315).  As I said I don’t know the full text yet, but in note 1 we read in German “the sender of the letter is a niece of the governess Ravanel; … Her husband was dead already in 1774; ...” It may well be that this niece is our Caroline Victoire Ravanel …

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Yes I know the relevent pages of this book already. The only important information we learn from them is that Caroline Ravanel was in the Netherlands in 1784 already and that she was known to a nobleman living in the East of the country. He was in search of a governess for his children. So it is pretty sure that she was a governess as well.
The book may be interesting for the Swiss governess phenomenon in a more general way, but not for Ravanel as such.

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The proxy in Heeze dated 11 Oct. 1786 was passed in the office of the manor of Heeze, where were present Storm van ’s Gravesande and H. Bock, both “schepen” (alderman). H. Janssen was the clerk.

The marriage registration of the Fizer-Ravanel couple gives two witnesses: Marie Antoinete Hofmann widow (“Witib”) née Ravanel and the captain Francois De Kaipf.

The letter (“Brief”) nr. 864 mentioned in the book by Ulrike Leutschner seems to have been written on 18 Nov. 1786 (p. 64). I do agree that the “weitere Nichte” [an other niece] who lived at that time in Holland must have been Caroline Victoire Ravanel.

As no sea-captain of the name Rinsby can be found in Dutch archives or printed literature and this name seems to be very rare indeed and her widowship suddenly falls out of the cloud  in 1790 it may very well be that Caroline invented her state of being a widower. I doubt Caroline’s widowship for a long time myself.

Your find of the burial of Mrs. Rinsly in the church in Chichester is really important and a great success. Her name could indeed be read as Rinsby.  According to her approved will it was James Champ of the city of Chichester notary public who translated it from the original French to English and the Reverend George Marwood was constituted as executor.

This George Marwood probably was the Rev. George Marwood who was a canon of Chichester Cathedral. See https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Metcalfe-760. His mother was Anne Smelt. I haven’t yet figured out her relationship with Leonard Smelt.

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Thank you. This deed is already known. It was made in Heeze near Eindhoven in the Netherlands. Storm van 's Gravesande was "schepen" (= alderman) of the court in Heeze before which this deed was registered. He was not related to Caroline Victoire Ravanel. She is known by the Christian names Caroline Victoire (Ravanel), Caroline Frédérique (Ravanel) and Eugenie Caroline Theodore(a) Rinsby née Ravanel.

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