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Berwickshire / Re: Ladykirk Farm 1851
« on: Saturday 21 October 23 13:55 BST (UK)  »
Hello again,

an update: I tracked down Mary McLeod's birth record, and she was christened at Norham but with the residence at Ladykirk across the border in Berwickshire.

And I'm afraid her dad George was a hedger, so an employee of the tenant.

But he & his wife were also christened at Norham, which probably explains why their 1st 2 daughters were christened there rather than at Ladykirk church.

I know from other ancestors English & Scottish farmers commonly used to work either side of the border, so probably explains other people living just across the border in Berwickshire getting christened in Norham church.

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Berwickshire / Re: Ladykirk Farm 1851
« on: Friday 20 October 23 20:49 BST (UK)  »
Hiya,

I lucked on this thread as I upgraded on Ancestry.co.uk the other day: going through my tree & just noticed my gg grandmother Mary McLeod was previously listed as born in "Ladykirk, Berwickshire", but I clicked on a 'Hint' which led me to her christening record which listed her residence as "Ladykirk", in Durham, 1825.

Her sister Mary was (also?) christened in Norham Northumberland the following year, but also resident/born in "Ladykirk".

It looks like their dad/my ggg grandfather George McLeod (b. 1796 Norham, Northumberland) was the "young tenant" you seek. :-)

He moved on.. the next record I have is the birth of his son George in Coldingham, Berwickshire in 1834.

Please feel free to ask questions: these details are all new to me this evening - the christening record *which I saw and read!* - wasn't saved by Ancestry!

So I'll be researching George & his family further in the next few days.

Oh, and this thread clarified a niggle: someone mentioned Ford: by 1901 Mary McLeod's son in law William Armstrong (my g grandfather) was Farm Steward at Westfield Farm in Ford.. now I know how he probably ended up crossing to 'the wrong side of the border' - as my mum used to say! - leading to meeting my g grandmother, from Wigtownshire who was a maid on the farm :-)

PS.. re Ladykirk/Berwickshire/Northumberland, it's clear the farm/s was/were in Northumberland, but I lucked on a historical site "Ladykirk" (attached, whilst checking how close Norham was to Ford), which is *north* of the Tweed.. not sure of the boundary changes in the area, but this may have caused the confusion. :-)

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London & Middlesex Completed Lookup Requests / Re: COMPLETED The Lodge, Bancroft Road, Mile End Old Town - Was this a hospital ?
« on: Wednesday 18 October 23 14:44 BST (UK)  »
Many thanks to Laurie for finally confirming my great grandfather George Sargent died in 1926 in the Mile End Workhouse - AKA Bancroft Lodge, Bancroft Road, Mile End, London.

Here's a link to the page he referenced: https://search.lma.gov.uk/scripts/mwimain.dll/144/RESEARCH_GUIDES/web_detail_rg/SISN+33?SESSIONSEARCH#:~:text=In%20many%20London%20and%20Middlesex%20poor%20law%20unions%20or%20parishes,%2C%204%20Kings%20Road%2C%20St.

I remember my late dad - born in 1919 - telling me he remembered crying when his grandad was "sent to the workhouse", and it's taken me ~30 years to find out which grandfather and where he was sent!

Now all I've got to do is trace another great grandfather, Thomas Henry Burrell, who 'disappeared' after 1906! This has never been spoken of in the family, and we presume he died or left the country: his wife remarried 7 years later in 1913!

BTW, I'm not looking for help in the search (a distant cousin is also on it): my mention is for general interest only. :-)

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Armed Forces / Royal Navy ships lying 'in ordinary' in the early 19th century
« on: Wednesday 15 March 17 09:01 GMT (UK)  »
Hello,

My ggg grandfather was a Marine, and his last ship was the HMS Beagle. I'm trying to find out where she was in between being laid up 'in ordinary' in 1820, and being refitted in 1825 for scientific voyages.

Any help/info or advice on further research gratefully received! :-)

Graeme

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Armed Forces / When did C19th Royal Marines apply for a pension
« on: Tuesday 04 October 16 00:38 BST (UK)  »
Hi. I've found the record of when my Royal Marine ggg grandfather Thomas Burrell was awarded a pension (15/12/1826), but not his enrolment or discharge dates.

Does anyone know when the pension was awarded? Was it the day of/day after discharge, or only when the marine applied after falling ill? For Thomas it was 'debility', but he went on to father a 2nd child 3 years later!

His last ship was the HMS Beagle.. unlikely the 1st one as it was laid up in ordinary in 1813, so must have been the one that Darwin later sailed on.

Its only voyages before Thomas got his pension were 1 or 2 reviews for the new King George IV in 1925.

Thanks,

Graeme

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The Common Room / Mary McLeod/Margaret McLeod - mistranscriptions?
« on: Monday 11 July 16 18:44 BST (UK)  »
Hello gang,

I'm looking for opinions from more experienced genealogists!

I guess we all know that we'd get nowhere without a bit of guesstimate over demanding absolute proof for everything, so I guess I'm just asking for a 'group' decision whether my guesstimate it a guess too far!

For several years I've tried to find lineage for a gg grandmother 'Mary McLeod', with no success.

But a few days ago after a new search, using the Scots naming 'convention', I found a *perfect* match.. the problem is that the person is Margaret, not Mary.

I'm wondering if it might be a mistranscription (ie Mary for Marg.), or a local/family short term etc., or am I putting wishful thinking ahead of logic?

I'll be thankful for any impartial opinions! :-)

Graeme

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The Common Room / Re: Thomas Burrell 1850 - where did he go?
« on: Tuesday 03 May 16 15:19 BST (UK)  »
Hi Kevin,

sorry for not being in touch recently, but I think I just found that Thomas died somewhere between 1911 & 1918: I've started getting my records in order (going backwards), & found my Granddad & Grandma's wedding certificate. It lists Thomas as "deceased", as far as I can see: the only other possible explanation is that my granddad thought of him as 'dead' for some reason.

Thought you'd want to know!

Graeme

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Burrell, Private Marine, Kent
« on: Friday 10 July 15 15:59 BST (UK)  »
Thanks! Picked that up on the way here to the library: was going to do a trawl through the entire Greenwich East ED, so it's saved me a lot of time!

Haven't been able to find the street - 'Little [something] Street' on any of my guesses, will wait til I get home!

G

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Family History Beginners Board / Re: Thomas Burrell, Private Marine, Kent
« on: Thursday 09 July 15 16:45 BST (UK)  »
Hi Daisy: I'm having real problems finding the 1841 record for Elizabeth. No result on the basic search: do youhappen to have the HO number or the enumeration district for her?

Ta,

Graeme x

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