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Hi everyone,
I've looking into one specific line and have gotten back to a "Susannah Prosser", found thanks to the Herefordshire Bishop Transcripts on FamilySearch. However, things have gotten a bit dicey as when searching for a birth record, I see there were two such women who could potentially match. They were both born in Bodenham, Herefordshire, and in 1721. They both have christening/baptism records, one on June 10th and the other on October 8th. Both fathers are called Thomas, though the mothers have different names - Joan (June) and Mary (October).
The Familysearch profile has used both dates on one profile, as the birth and baptism/christening respectively. Considering that the mothers have different names though, this is surely a mistake?
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/M2MD-6HL
What a kerfuffle!
So, is your question which of them is “yours”?
If so, what are the names of “your” Susannah’s children?
My opinion is (from memory though but hopefully all is in this thread)
1901 and 1911 Murphy nephews link to Julia
1891 and birth records Murphys with mmn O’Neill
Mary Ann O’Neill (marriage) and mother Julia O’Neill (death) both have Sefton Square as an address.
John O’Neill, Police Officer found with family including Mary A in 1861.
The children have mmn McNamee in births and baptisms.
I think that this is good evidence for tying all this together.
To be absolutely sure that Mary Ann who married Michael Halligan is not the one from the above family, you would need to check her father John’s occupation from the marriage certificate.
In researching the origins of Julia Joesphine O'NEILL, father Police Constable, married John BRAAMWELL, 1890, Liverpool Lancashire -
* the 1911 Census, with Joseph Patrick MURPHY 34y single b. Liverpool.....and.....James Francis MURPHY 37Y, married, b. Liverpool....recorded as nephews...leads to ....
* Mary Ann O'NEIL, married Terence MURPHY, 1873.
* Your Julia Josephine is possibly the daughter of the John O'NEILL - Julia McNAMEE family.
* Birth, Julia Josephine O'NEILL, 1870, West Derby......mms McNAMEE...is a good fit for your Julia.
* Mary Ann O'NEILL marr. Michael HALLIGAN, 1870...would seem to have a good claim to be the Mary Ann of the O'NEILL - McNAMEE family.
The two Mary Ann O'NEILLS become a problem.
*The Census describes people as relating to head of household....John BRAMWELL. The MURPHY nephews should be nephews of John BRAMWELL, but by the customs of the times, they could equally be nephews of Julia Josephine BRAMWELL nee O'NEILL, which is what we have pursued.
*Are the MURPHYs BRAMWELL nephews, not O'NEILL nephews?
*If your Julia Josephine is daughter of O'NEILL - McNAMEE family, she is very young when Julia (McNAMEE) O'NEILL died, 1876. Who raised her?. Where is your Julia in the 1881 Census?
The marriage certificate BRAMWELL - O'NEILL, 1890.......can you list all the information on it please. There should be addresses....what are they?
I'm just been perusing Ancestry trees and I've found multiple trees about the same John O'Neill. Apparently he was born to Joanna Flaherty and William O'Neill in Tralee and remarried after Julia's death. Most interestingly he seemed to spend parts of his life bobbing between Ireland, Australia and England.
That is just silly. You would be a lot less confused if you stop looking at Ancestry trees.
Debra
