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Travelling People / Re: COOPERS in Surrey area
« on: Saturday 12 July 14 02:35 BST (UK)  »
Sorry to jump in here but there's a lot of talk of Matty Cooper the (royal rat catcher) to be connected with the Croydon Cooper....Matty is from the Windsor Cooper I know this because he was my great , great , great ,great grandfather so i am a directly descented from this man .....Matty had 7 boys one of them called Vanslow , vanslow had a boy also called vanslow .......Vanslow jnr had a boy called Henry ....Henry then called he's son Henry ........Henry jnr called he's boy Henry (me father) Im called Henry and my little boy is called ......you guessed it Henry Boi lol..........We are all gypsies and proud still living the romany way in trailers ,yards and units and we still hold the name Cooper lol and I myself breed plummer terriers the best ratting dogs on the planet and we work them hard to Longtails (rats)hahaha

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Saturday 12 July 14 00:44 BST (UK)  »
You see even though its hard to trace gypsies back the saving grace is that they dont lose each other like other people as they are such a close nit community and i would have money on it that all the names you have mentioned such as castles , hiltons, lee's, taylor's, penfolds, scott's , coopers , keffords, are directly related to the people that surround me today and my guess is that because it sounds like a couple of these gypsy women married gorjas (none gypsy people) like you family the Lawrance's back then that would of been shameful meaning these women would of been expelled for the community leading to over time losing all history of where they come from .........this is just my theory but I would have money on it and this would explain why Job and Jim held the name Castle as they considered there self's gypsies

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Saturday 12 July 14 00:26 BST (UK)  »
I know the Castles they are close to my family and related I also know the Hiltons who are also gypsies and are related to the castles lol

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Saturday 12 July 14 00:00 BST (UK)  »
You say your not a gypsy lol but all the names you are looking for apart from lawrance are gypsy names hahaha .........I am a gypsy and the problem with gypsies is everyone names there kids after there self's and only breed with other close gypsy families who are usually related anyway making it near on impossible to trace them back ..........

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Friday 11 July 14 22:47 BST (UK)  »
Right Just spoke to me granny and im wrong about a couple of things lol...........Me great granny never run off with tom Scott hahahaha her sister Lydia Cooper was married to him lol where i got that from i dont know........... and Florance Penfold Was married to Vanlow Snr making her my great great granny.....

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Friday 11 July 14 21:22 BST (UK)  »
Right this is where it gets confusing .........My great grandfather Henry, Oachie's brother married a woman called margaret cooper her maiden name was already Cooper(me great grandmother) and im pretty sure they were cousins whats not unusual with in gypsies as you probably know but i dont know if they were 1st or second cousins but rumor has it she run off with a man called Tom scott but she must of come back to me grandfather because I new and love me great grandmother.......Vanslow Lawrence(elvis singer) son of Oachie 's was very close to me grandfather(my fathers father) and used to go to work with him but i dont know who he married but i can find out because me grandmother is still alive and going strong lol and she will know im seeing her tomorrow...Vanslow Lawrance's sisters one of them was called Lila Lawrance and she married a Horse dealer called Jonny Cooper lol who is related to me great grandmother Margaret cooper.....Now I can find out more about this too because one of Lila and Jonnys Sons rung me up the other day (little Jonny) to buy some caravans from me as thats what i trade in and I will be going to there yard in the next couple of weeks and will have a good catch up as i haven't seen none of Jonny and Lila's lot in years.....another of Oachies Daughters married one of the Ball's but not sure who but again I can ask.........You mention the name florence and asked about Amy cooper ....Right Amy cooper was Oachies sister she married Chicken Summers and had 2 boys and 2 girls....Oachie had another sister called Fiance Cooper (aunt Fiance) and this could be where the name Florence is coming from because they all lived in york rd ...........Now you ask about Penfolds ..both my great grandfather (Henry Cooper ) and great grandmother (Margaret Cooper) both claimed that there mothers where Penfolds lol but again the only evidence of this I have is that there's loads of Penfolds  around me down here in Kent and they all claim to be related to me lol...........Was your Grandad swailey a Lawrance and he's mother was a Taylor ....I have loads of Taylor cousins lol and have a good few friends with the name swailey or swales for short ...........Are you a traveller ??? What is your surname now???? what was your fathers surname???

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Friday 11 July 14 17:53 BST (UK)  »
Also ocean may of had another sister im not to sure but the J castle you mention would of been Jimmy Castle who had boys wally and Jimmy and one more thing Vanslow Jnr oceans brother (Gary coopers father) married a Kefford.......Ocean had a boy also called vanslow (he could sing just like Elvis lol).....she had other daughters i dont know to much about them I know one married a castle and one used to still sell flowers just like her mother ocean..

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Travelling People / Re: vanslow cooper
« on: Friday 11 July 14 16:54 BST (UK)  »
Hello sorry to poke my nose in here but the Vanslow Cooper I think you looking for was my great great Grandfather , he also had a son called Vanslow (uncle Vanny) and one called Henry who i am named after along with me father me grandfather and my son little Henry boi lol.........Now me great grandfather (Henry) who was a lovely man had a sister called Oachie (aunt Oachie) and two other sisters one who married Chick Summers father to Alfie and Jimmy Summers and the other sister married I think a Brazil and he's brother (uncle Vanny) Vanslow had a boy called Gary me (cousin Gary) who still lives in Teddington ............All these Coopers come from one man called Mattias Cooper the Royal rat catcher lol and are known as the Windor Coopers and are the oldest Gypsies in the country ....Vanslow is a dutch name and that would make sense because before the coopers travelled to England they were traced to Holland and was known as the black Dutch as cooper gypsy skin is very dark ....A gypsy coopers real romany name is Vardo masaplona but because we only spoke romany when we entered the country the English could not understand us and as you know a Vardo is a trailer or wagon in romany and we the Coopers built barrel top  wagons and as you know in english a cooper was a barrel maker so the english called us coopers as our wagons were built the same as barrels hahaha........I also remember me grandfather cooper always going on about he's cousins the Keffords and that some of them had got work in Australia spraying roofs and tarmacing and i once even spoke to one of them on the phone about me going out there to work with them but I never ended up going....

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