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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Sunday 07 September 14 22:10 BST (UK) »
Ok, thank you Cando,
I will alert Bron63 and discuss this matter with her,
Talk soon
I will alert Bron63 and discuss this matter with her,
Talk soon
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Saturday 06 September 14 07:28 BST (UK) »
Ok Majm,
Thankyou, talk soon.
Thankyou, talk soon.
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Saturday 06 September 14 02:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Majm,
can I await your response here please to my last post because I understand you have been helping me the most and are update with our progress. I spent over 8 hrs on this alone last night and seen as it is such a long thread I don't want to deter people with long posts if they are not useful. One thing I noticed re reading my post on the firth boys is I'm not 100% sure if Patrick was aboriginal so I will research him more. Again from memory because I have way too much to sort through Patrick was a shearer?? Was this information you found on Patrick??
Thankyou.
can I await your response here please to my last post because I understand you have been helping me the most and are update with our progress. I spent over 8 hrs on this alone last night and seen as it is such a long thread I don't want to deter people with long posts if they are not useful. One thing I noticed re reading my post on the firth boys is I'm not 100% sure if Patrick was aboriginal so I will research him more. Again from memory because I have way too much to sort through Patrick was a shearer?? Was this information you found on Patrick??
Thankyou.
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Saturday 06 September 14 02:11 BST (UK) »
Hi cardo, majm, sue, merlin.
I feel the need to explain myself. I had around 24hrs while waiting for transcriptions of Frances, Agnes and Mary Ann firth to go over what certificates we have, what I have learnt and try form a relationship to what problems aboriginal people faced around these times. My theory is based on this and I'm asking if anyone experienced here thinks it is worth my while to divert my research in this direction. The material I have based my theories on is based on what we know about the people that that had some part in the 2 girls life's. If these ideas based on what I've learnt are not helpful could my main helpers to date Sue, Majm or Merlin please let me know as I can modify them to remove them. I feel like I'm not going to find out more unless I have new ideas to research. I have relied on my memory but I am sure all this info I have given to support my theories is in previous posts but I couldn't possibly supply all the links to the info in 1 post. These 2 main theories I have to me are the 2 most probable explanations I can see. Am I wrong in taking this approach. Please let me know.
Wertyperty
I feel the need to explain myself. I had around 24hrs while waiting for transcriptions of Frances, Agnes and Mary Ann firth to go over what certificates we have, what I have learnt and try form a relationship to what problems aboriginal people faced around these times. My theory is based on this and I'm asking if anyone experienced here thinks it is worth my while to divert my research in this direction. The material I have based my theories on is based on what we know about the people that that had some part in the 2 girls life's. If these ideas based on what I've learnt are not helpful could my main helpers to date Sue, Majm or Merlin please let me know as I can modify them to remove them. I feel like I'm not going to find out more unless I have new ideas to research. I have relied on my memory but I am sure all this info I have given to support my theories is in previous posts but I couldn't possibly supply all the links to the info in 1 post. These 2 main theories I have to me are the 2 most probable explanations I can see. Am I wrong in taking this approach. Please let me know.
Wertyperty
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Friday 05 September 14 19:23 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Did anyone one find out anything more about Patrick firths history that is before his marriage to Kate, another thing that comes to mind is mudgee museum said we would have to ask the church about some notes that said possible other partners for Frances but we didn't get any other information on her recent death transcription so I'm curious as to what these notes are referanced to. I'm wondering if Agnes, Mary Ann and Patrick had the same mother and fathert but Patrick went with his father sometime after Frances fell pregnant with Mary Ann. I'm curious as to if Patricks father was a boundary rider. Another possible scenario.
Did anyone one find out anything more about Patrick firths history that is before his marriage to Kate, another thing that comes to mind is mudgee museum said we would have to ask the church about some notes that said possible other partners for Frances but we didn't get any other information on her recent death transcription so I'm curious as to what these notes are referanced to. I'm wondering if Agnes, Mary Ann and Patrick had the same mother and fathert but Patrick went with his father sometime after Frances fell pregnant with Mary Ann. I'm curious as to if Patricks father was a boundary rider. Another possible scenario.
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Friday 05 September 14 18:22 BST (UK) »
Another thing that comes to me referring to my last post as well is the ANZAC Aboriginal Firths Ernest and Francis Firth from Pilliga. These boys were born in the exact same years as Agnes's children in the late 1880's so it would be fair to say that their parents who were Patrick Firth and Kate Winifred macarney(mccarney), were around the same age as Agnes, I'm pretty sure this is the correct marriage bdm for the 2 boys parents, note if you look in Ernest's original army enlistment document I posted in previous posts and zoom in on mother ,Patrick was crossed out and replaced with KATE. 3062/1880, Patrick firth, Kate winninfred Maccarney (mccarney). Coonamble. The 2 boys were born in the late 1880's, this can be figured out off their war documents too. Searching back from Patrick firth I've hit the same brick wall as Agnes, Patrick firth and Agnes firth would have most likely been around the same age. Documentation that I can find on both as firth only starts at marriage, Both have last names of Irish settlers around the same areas.
What do you guys think.
If anyone's having trouble finding the links for the 2 boys the website you can find these in is mapping our Anzacs.
Thankyou wertyperty .
What do you guys think.
If anyone's having trouble finding the links for the 2 boys the website you can find these in is mapping our Anzacs.
Thankyou wertyperty .
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Friday 05 September 14 16:54 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Late one for me back on the search tonight, I have a theory I need assistance with as I don't know how to find this sort of information or if it's even available. I've been searching the certificates we have for clues and one thing become apparent as good possibility. Agnes's death certificate is only missing 2 bits of information and that's her occupation and mother, otherwise complete. I know occupation can be ruled out if her duties were at home. This is what I ponder, I wonder if frances doesn't appear in Agnes's certificates for personal reasons. I noticed the informant was her son Albert baker. Her fathers details are filled out as father firth, occupation boundary rider. I understand that because Agnes was Agnes Baker nee Firth then the person that filled out the death details could have just assumed that his last name was Firth. Through my research another thing comes to mind. Walter Sherry was the mayor at one stage, owned a tailor business and was treasurer of some kind. Elizabeth Amy Nelthorpes father was a business partner of Walters and father Nelthorpe wife Amy king's father from memory was a surgeon, as I've been searching the Irish firths I have noticed this family had businesses and some also had part to do with the development of the heavy haulage railway. If Frances was born Firth and if she never married is it possible that Frances was a wealthy lady from the firth Irish families and not Agnes's birth mother. Given that it appears to me she could have been surrounded by wealthy people is it possible she was treated as a servant or taken from her parents etc. It's got me wondering why the certificate could be said to be complete if she had reasons not to like Frances and Albert mentioned Agnes's father but the mother who you would think he would have known as well is not there. Am I leading myself a stray or is this a real possibility.
Late one for me back on the search tonight, I have a theory I need assistance with as I don't know how to find this sort of information or if it's even available. I've been searching the certificates we have for clues and one thing become apparent as good possibility. Agnes's death certificate is only missing 2 bits of information and that's her occupation and mother, otherwise complete. I know occupation can be ruled out if her duties were at home. This is what I ponder, I wonder if frances doesn't appear in Agnes's certificates for personal reasons. I noticed the informant was her son Albert baker. Her fathers details are filled out as father firth, occupation boundary rider. I understand that because Agnes was Agnes Baker nee Firth then the person that filled out the death details could have just assumed that his last name was Firth. Through my research another thing comes to mind. Walter Sherry was the mayor at one stage, owned a tailor business and was treasurer of some kind. Elizabeth Amy Nelthorpes father was a business partner of Walters and father Nelthorpe wife Amy king's father from memory was a surgeon, as I've been searching the Irish firths I have noticed this family had businesses and some also had part to do with the development of the heavy haulage railway. If Frances was born Firth and if she never married is it possible that Frances was a wealthy lady from the firth Irish families and not Agnes's birth mother. Given that it appears to me she could have been surrounded by wealthy people is it possible she was treated as a servant or taken from her parents etc. It's got me wondering why the certificate could be said to be complete if she had reasons not to like Frances and Albert mentioned Agnes's father but the mother who you would think he would have known as well is not there. Am I leading myself a stray or is this a real possibility.
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Thursday 04 September 14 05:17 BST (UK) »
Hi judb,
Bron63 has ordered the transcriptions so a visit to the NLA is not necessary unless you would like to search for any other worthwhile documents, your kind offer has deffinately not gone unnoticed.
Thankyou.
And a big thankyou to everyone that has helped us on our research so far.
Bron63 has ordered the transcriptions so a visit to the NLA is not necessary unless you would like to search for any other worthwhile documents, your kind offer has deffinately not gone unnoticed.
Thankyou.
And a big thankyou to everyone that has helped us on our research so far.
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Australia / Re: Adoptions
« on: Thursday 04 September 14 05:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Majm,
A break would be good. Im exhausted. I will be conducting research in the background still and await these transcripts.
Anything new I find that is directly related to our search I will post, otherwise I will keep checking back in the event someone else discovers something, or has a good lead.
Wertyperty.
A break would be good. Im exhausted. I will be conducting research in the background still and await these transcripts.
Anything new I find that is directly related to our search I will post, otherwise I will keep checking back in the event someone else discovers something, or has a good lead.Wertyperty.