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Antrim / Re: sectarian violence in the Belfast Hills
« on: Yesterday at 23:37 »
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Have you looked at the Ordnance Survey Memoirs yet? Might be several volumes that cover the area of interest (not sure if any online)
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Thanks. I wasn't aware of the Ordnance Survey Memoirs of Ireland for Antrim which is available to purchase online.

The memoirs may be accessible online, but 133 entries/parishes sounds far from complete. Below copied from an old Lurgan facebook post I made 26 Jun 2024, though if I recall the search, county selection part did not really work the way one might expect ie when specify County Armagh it still showed others. It may be better to access via the DRI Repository directly https://repository.dri.ie/catalog/cz313n17c which was where the Shankill (Lurgan) & Seagoe links took me anyway.

The Ordnance Survey commenced mapping Ireland 200 years ago 2024 resulting in the 1st edition 6 inch to the mile maps. That included all the Townland areas and their Names. A new website has materialised and there are several online blogs commencing. The new site collates info from several holdings and includes the OS Memoirs as published for N.I. These have not been online before being available in print book only.
https://irelandmapped.ie/pages/explore-the-resource
https://irelandmapped.ie/pages/the-sources
https://rte.ie/brainstorm/2025/0613/1455340-first-ordnance-survey-maps-ireland-geography-townlands-place-names

Further background from the Royal Irish Academy Blogs
1 Maps: https://ria.ie/blog/os200-spotlight-on-the-1st-edition-ordnance-survey-maps
2. Letters: https://ria.ie/blog/os200-spotlight-on-the-ordnance-survey-letters [Letters (as County pdf's) have been available on AskaboutIreland for some time]
3. Memoirs: https://ria.ie/blog/os200-spotlight-on-the-ordnance-survey-memoirs

Print book summary https://ulsterhistoricalfoundation.com/assets/uploads/Ordnance-Survey-Memoir-Order-Form.pdf

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Donegal / Re: variant given name/s
« on: Tuesday 30 December 25 01:35 GMT (UK)  »
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Mother recorded as GILES not Giley.

Not so sure, the old thread suggests census indicates both used. See the next birth entry on the page + the y of February; parents marriage for entry 252 https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=cima-2907892.
The female forname Giley seems to be concentrated in Milford District & restricted to Co. Donegal if do an exact forname search of civil marriages or civil births.

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Down / Re: Raglan Street Belfast
« on: Saturday 27 December 25 22:45 GMT (UK)  »
Note: This old thread should be in Co. Antrim rather than Co.Down, all streets mentioned previously are north of the Lagan.

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Down / Re: Connor Marriages
« on: Tuesday 16 December 25 22:21 GMT (UK)  »
Bit late now, I should have tipped on PRONI once get to a page of interest rather than trying to read the small central pane, right click and open in a new window, get full size (like on Ancestry).

Convenient that Drumanaquoile is right at the beginning of VAL/12/B/18/24A (1864-1878) at least https://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_Val12b/Large%20JPeg/IRELBEL1D_032/IRELBEL1D_VAL12B-18-24A/IRELBEL1D_VAL12B-18-24A_M_00003.jpg

If change the final digit get previous page with John Connor junior on at map ref 15. The fact that 16 says Pat Connor (Walsh) and 17 Pat Connor (James) is to distinguish them. Also have Pat Connor (Ewd) at 20, who perhaps died 1873 & had a wife Rose and son Edward [named after his grandfather]. Have to turn to Civil deaths to confirm (not all deaths were registered and some changes are due to emigrations). People can have parcels of land in adjoining townlands sometimes one has the house + land and the other just land.
Pat Connor (Edw) at 20 died 1872 aged 68, but Charles Connor at 16 just got too old. Patrick (Walsh) seems to take over 16a, 16b & 17 and have the land revalued 1876 but Charles didn't die till 23 Dec 1878 (aged 80).

The maps on AskaboutIreland are later late 1870's but used as they are neatly printed in red rather than the scrawl of hand annotations on earlier ones. as the numbering tends not to change much in rural areas is fine + Co Down & Co Armagh were the last surveyed.
https://www.johngrenham.com/blog/2018/11/05/more-maps-than-you-can-shake-a-stick-at
The alternative ones & Town plans John mentions are only there for the Republic, PRONI has N.I.'s offline. AskaboutIreland is glitchy sometimes maps don't load for a particular Townland, can always open someone elsewhere and move the view.

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Antrim / Re: Mullan family
« on: Tuesday 16 December 25 14:54 GMT (UK)  »
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I just need to trace back and find his mother and fathers details.
To do that you will need to order a paper copy of his birth cert from GRONI, either using the online form, or by phoning them. They don't need all the info on the form ie the currently unknown mother's name to fulfill.
https://rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849427.msg7168488#msg7168488
https://nidirect.gov.uk/articles/ordering-life-event-certificates

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In addition the index only includes the first Christian name.
but the 50p Enhanced Birth index includes two and are what they seemed to reply by email with in response to a £7 phone request for a search, giving you the choice of then topping-up to purchase the cert [based on a marriage request].
If searching within the 100 years in person in GRONI or PRONI (or 1922-1925 from home) the Enhanced index can save you a fortune in views, has first & second fornames of child, mother and father eg if looking for a spouse's birth and there are several possibilities.
https://nidirect.gov.uk/articles/gronis-online-search-results

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Down / Re: Connor Marriages
« on: Tuesday 16 December 25 05:43 GMT (UK)  »
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I followed up the Griffiths Valuation and located a cluster of the Connor family together
I'll use Findmypast or Ancestry for a quick search but they only have the text, if you accessed via AskaboutIreland you will have seen the maps too (with historical to modern slider).

Post Griffiths you can follow changes using the Valuation Revisions on PRONI (they are name indexed on Ancestry with PRONI's images but there are errors & omissions for name changes so browsing by townland then the numerical reference on PRONI is better).
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/revision-books.html
PRONI - How to Use Online Valuation Revision Books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8_QhA4VVo
Irish Ancestors: Reverse Genealogy 2, Valuation Revision Books
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs9VAWMTemY

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Galway / Re: Letterfrack Industrial School
« on: Tuesday 16 December 25 04:59 GMT (UK)  »
Unfortunately as per the Wiki link above life in the school was not on the same par as its surrounding, its remoteness compounding things, others:
https://childrenshomes.org.uk/LetterfrackIS
https://bishop-accountability.org/reports/2009_05_20_CICA/PDFs/CICA-VOL1-08.pdf
https://childabusecommission.ie/?p=1102
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23199971
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/100-died-at-letterfrack-school-say-brothers-1.1104242

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Antrim / Re: Daniel STOREY WW1 1019
« on: Monday 15 December 25 23:22 GMT (UK)  »
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Belfast Newsletter 30 May 1899
Storey, Hugh youngest son of Alexander and Margaret Cape Castle, interment in City Cemetery

Headstone image & plot map (though image too small  to read)
https://discovereverafter.com/profile/28077648
Interred with 3 Ramseys.
Someone has linked a spouse Margaret Jane Storey & child on FAG https://findagrave.com/memorial/205446121/hugh-storey which is questionable as his death cert says Hugh was a 22 year old bachelor (registered by sister Annie Ramsey).
https://irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05799/4640882.pdf

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Ireland / Re: Is it Still "Early 2019"?
« on: Monday 15 December 25 04:24 GMT (UK)  »
FYI of the 15 pre-1864 births indexed all were input errors and all have mother's maiden surnames indexed so are presumably recent additions/submissions.

All 9 in 1863 should read 1864 and most of the mother's maiden surnames were wrong too eg McSimon = McLornan/m, Hrahan = Strahan or the father's surname Shannahan (Shanahan)
A few were in N.I so could be cross referenced if hard to read as could the old quarterly index transcripts (FindMyPast version).
William Flynn 1861 I proposed 1961, there is no image.
Margaret Johnston 1860 should be 1866.
Justin Feddis 1859 image not found, suggested 1959 as there is no index entry in Rathdown earlier.
Christopher Byrne mother Fagan was definately 1957 as there is a matching quarterly birth index.
Mary McAdams 29 Jan 1854 should be 1864 and was the only entry on a October re-submission with clerical errors on the previous April one, so is indexed twice ('1854' & 1864) but both are linked to the same later image. Her twin Anne is again indexed twice (1864), with different Group Registration IDs, but both of hers link to the original April submission image showing both births & others.

These errors were only apparent because the dates were impossible, any births 1970 entered as 1870 would not be.

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