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hi Fred,
I have, bracketed into my family tree, a John Jutsum [b.c.1701, d.1786] who in 1730 apparently married a Sarah Cook [d.1796] at Stamford Peverell. I say bracketed, because i prefer not to regard any individuals as gospel until i have been able to research & prove, to my own personal satisfaction, that what i have is correct. There is apparently, out there in the ether, a difference of opinion as regards the Jutsum family but I prefer not to get involved in it and that's not to mention funny online trees, where folk have either never read their actual docs - if they have them - or simply copied everyone elses names & dates regardless of how unlikely they may be! One day i hope to get down to Devon and look it all out for myself but I'm not sure when that will be as it'll take a bit of organizing. So, there could be mistakes in this. Some of hte dates and info were a bit iffy.
Anyway, if the marriage is bone fide and they do belong, the couple had the kids I've noted here: all born Halberton as far as i can see
Saml* J b.c.1731; occ. unknown; d.1790 Halberton
John** J b.1733, occ. Overseer or collector apparently; d.1837 North Molton district
Rchd J b.c.1736 occ. London butcher, d.1787, St Botolph, LON;
Ralph*** J 1739; occ. yeoman; d.1801 West Buckland SOM;
Danl J 1st b.1743; d. aged 1 mth, Halberton DEV
Danl 2nd b.c.1745 I have him as an appr. butcher in Sampford P in 1763
Sarah b.c.1751; maybe d.1755 Halberton
I don't have any suggested birth for Sarah Cook, but John Jutsum is reputed to be the son of John Jutsum & Hannah Marsh.
Their son, Samuel*, is reputed to be the one who married Elzth Hussey
Son Ralph***, as you can see, moved to Somerset , however, I've never spotted a son for them, never mind a William, but that doesn't mean they didn't have one. Ralph married an Elzth Norrish / Norris in 1763 and their policy of using mum's surname as a middle name does suggest something of a tradition evolving. Those i've found on the IGI are Sarah, Elzth, Jenny & Mary all with the middle name Norris and b.bet 1765 & 1772. There are a few other girls i was 'given' but i've found nothing to prove they are in fact theirs. They certainly had time to have had more kids. The above mentioned kids were chr. in Dulverton SOM and i've no idea where that is in relation to West Buckham where they settled so it is possible, if they are two different registration districts, that more kids are hidden there., no doubt with the wrong spelling to confuse the issue
I don't have either of your Frederick Ralph Caleb Jutsum or his dad, William Cook Jutsum in London but then it's not surprising as i clearly don't haev the all important link. However, i don;t doubt you have a genuine link to my Halberton and Somerset Jutsums. It's just finding that link. These forebears can be very inconsiderate, can't they?
This William Cookbirth is interesting. I thought at first it had to be the above Ralph's brother John**, and that would make sense. I have him as marrying an Ann Baker in 1776 and producing a son and 4 dau's that i've found so far. Marrying in 1776 makes them unlikely parents for William C., however, that allows for dad, John, to have had a previous marriage. Judging by the d.o.b I have for him in 1733, he;d have been in his 40s when he married Ann. So, maybe he married the Elzth below* in time to haev a son called William C J. c.1772. That'd be worth looking into if you have;t already.
William Cooke Jutson chr: 28 July 1771 St Thomas the Apostle Exeter, DEV s of John & Elzth* Jutson
It might also be worth looking at the above John J & Ann Baker's marriage lines, the originals if possible, to see if it mentions his being a widower.
Just a thought.
I take it this is some of your lot:
William Jutsum b.14 Oct 1803 chr.29 Dec 1808 St. James, Westminster MDX s of William & Mary Cook Jutsum
Mary Elizth. Jutsam b.14 Oct 1803 chr.29 Dec 1808 St. James, Westminster MDX dau of of William & Mary Cook Jutsum
Thos. Cheesman Jutsam b.8 Apr 1807, chr. 29 Dec 1808 St. James, Westminster MDX s of Wm. & Mary Cook Jutsam
They certainly fit with the Exeter born Wm C J being born when he was and moving to London.
William Cook Jutsum m. Ann Blackburn 23 Dec 1850 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster MDX
William John Jubsum(sic) chr.5 Dec 1858 Chelsea, MDX s of William & Ann Cook Jubsum
I just did a quick hunt, to give me a piture of times and places.
I suppose you've tried looking for Apprenticeship records. Just once in a million tries, something worthwhile pops up :-]
If the above information is correct, I too descend from the same couples, this being my early tree
John Jutsum m. Grace unknown c.1672 Cadeleigh DEV
John Jutsum m. Hannah Marsh ca.1694 Sampford P
John Jutsum m. SArah Cook 1730 S.P
Saml Jutsum m. Elzth Hussey 1764 Halberton
Richd Jutsum m. Anne Coles 1790 Halberton
Robert Salter m. Elzth Jutsum 1824 Halberton
dau Jane Salter m. James Beavis, a London cheesemonger,
&c.
It appears my original message was too long so pt.2 will follow
cheers
Fionnghal
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